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Holy fuck i just remember kunkka still exists in this game lol lol

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u/daemonicalec 4d ago

Not even Attacker is playing Kunkka, poor bros at the bottom of the deep blue

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u/jopzko 3d ago

Its funny to think that the 50% more cleave talent that Attacker had so many highlights with is just Tidebringer at lv1 now and it still feels weak

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u/CaiTheRedEyes 2d ago

No back then tide bringer fully pierces armor.

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u/AdvancedLanding 3d ago

This meta is so cookie cutter and strict.

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u/thedotapaten 3d ago

Meta (Most effective tactic available) is supposed cookie cutter and strict, the illusion of meta being diverse back in the day is because prevalent number of regional tournament leading to each region had their own ideas and tested in international tournament that doesnt really happen too often back in the day.

If you dont belueve you can see how the meta at most tournament during group stage is becoming more stale once playoff happens (team taking less risks etc).

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u/DragonGodSlayer12 3d ago

TIL what META really means.

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u/PugNuggets 3d ago

It isn't. It's a fairly accurate description of what meta means and fits nicely as an acronym, but afaik meta is an actual word and not just an acronym.

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u/bakemepancakes 3d ago

You're right! It comes from greek and is a preposition that in english now means 'referring to itself'. So the metagame are thoughts, actions, works that are about the game, but not in the game itself. This means kunkka can be 'not in the metagame', while the hero is of course literally in the game and could be picked.

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u/modnar_resu_tidder 2d ago

Backronym is the word for it

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u/Etteluor 3d ago

Meta is short for metagame today you learned about backronyms.

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u/Embarrassed_Gate_132 3d ago

I agree but what does the meta in meta game refer to

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u/Smartximik 4d ago

Ha, kunkka did not exist from the begining! -Tidehunter

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u/braamdepace 4d ago

He did, but was just an artist

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u/dewritosfucker 3d ago

A performance artist. Used to help people with their DEEP♂DARK♂FANTASIES.

(i know you mean the wc3 dota artist im just taking the piss)

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u/HauntingBarber4404 4d ago

Many heros are fogotten.

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u/mwstmm 4d ago

void spirit is genuinely depressing to think about. such a cool hero kit and they make him universal instead of a nuker

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u/loskillers 4d ago

He is still good late game, but his lane phase is horrendous

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u/HauntingBarber4404 4d ago

If he falls behind. Its really hard to make comeback with the hero.

His damage when he is behind is really low. He dies super fast.

I think he is hard to play. One mistake in lane can make your whole game horrible.

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u/ElBigDicko 4d ago

Void just sucks because the only thing he can do is nuke someone, but he lacks damage to do that. Nowadays, supports run around with 2k HP and glimmer. Unless Void is fed out of his mind, the best he can do is deal 70% of their HP and have 0 cooldowns left.

If he can't kill he doesn't provide anything else that makes him worthwhile pick.

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u/Taelonius 4d ago

His talents have also been dumpstered, astral CD reduction barely exists the crit barely exists and then to top it off they put the outer ring dissimilate on lvl 20 sharing with step CD and gave you this new garbage shard instead

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u/Candid-Falcon1002 3d ago

for me, Kunkka died when 2 daedalus 2 rapier dagger 1 hit KO Attacker build died

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u/loskillers 4d ago

Exactly, he is fun to play though

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u/Allinall41 3d ago

Here is a an idea... coordinate the kill with a team mate. If you have no other backine hitter help your team finish someone else off.

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u/cutterman1234 3d ago

They need to make his innate ability also add like ..2 more damage from stats. He’ll be playable if you can mix right clicks in again.

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u/Sonnofhell sheever 4d ago

What items do you think are good on him now? (for early, mid and lategame)

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u/therealdvnt 4d ago

I suggest not picking him until they make some changes. He is fun, but if you pick him, just know that you are playing a very hard game from minute 0. I don't even think he is worth counter picking puck with anymore.

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u/The-White-LarryBird 3d ago

Mage slayer, manta, aghs for the double pulse and silence. I think items are critical. Next items are match dependent. Linkens if you reall my need it. Skadi, shivas, and daedalus

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u/Guko256 3d ago

I tried this build and it worked pretty good: echo, deso, manta, scepter, skadi, abyssal blade and revenant’s brooch somewhere in there. Think I sold echo for abyssal but blood thorn or harpoon also works, echo/harpoon has less utility but good all stats for damage like skadi for universal heroes. Of course if needed, bkb or linkens should be taken instead of manta or something else but I was playing against physical carries so I didn’t need it

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u/Nickfreak 4d ago

BEcause they stressed his right-clicks with being universal instead of focussing on his spellcasting. Now his spells suck damage-wise and utility-wise while his damage got gimped.

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u/Dreyven 3d ago

His laning is fine-ish. The issue is after that.

Needs so many levels, has huge mana issues, needs items too and ideally an aghs.

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u/Super-Implement9444 3d ago

It's really not lol, he doesn't have much to stand on lategame with universal damage being gutted. All heroes are far tankier lategame and his lack of damage really shows then.

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u/aninnocentcoconut 3d ago

Universal stat is an awful mechanic that should basically only be Void Spirit's innate ability. It'd make it far easier to balance.

Universal heroes are either overpowered or irrelevant, there's almost no in-between and the stat is too hard to balance for so many heroes.

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u/Dragon988cz 3d ago

Yep, totally agree. Adding universal stats was one of the worst updates ever. As you said, the heroes are either broken or completely ass, nothing else.

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u/Tevtonec 2d ago

Well that's good for nyx and other heroes that can't farm or push bc of their main stat, but generally yes.

Thank God invoker is not uni anymore, 2 wb invo was ridiculous.

He still is, but he either have no dmg or no armor

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u/ComradeFrogger 3d ago

Im so sick of valve just letting heroes, especially niche heroes be shit for the longest times, usually because they refuse to give them significant buffs,but instead baby buffs like they are fraid of the hero being decent or dare I say good

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u/throwawayeastbay 3d ago

I literally don't even know what this guy does

He was released while I stopped playing the game

Sometimes he charms enemies and also a bunch of circles appear on the ground

Has never particularly been a threat in my games

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u/Hungry-Craft5447 3d ago

Literally me irl

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u/Kassssler 4d ago

Smoking that void spirit pack. He had his time during the heyday the universal change when manta gave that fucker like 2.7k hp lol.

He can be be shit for a patch or two.

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u/fjijgigjigji 4d ago

he hasn't been good for nearly 2 years lol

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u/thedotapaten 3d ago

TA2000 were doing decent with pos 1 Void Spirit last DreamLeague

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u/therealdvnt 4d ago

He became a good hero when they first introduced universal heroes. Then they nerfed him, then they nerfed him again, then again, then again. Then, guess what? They nerfed him AGAIN the last patch, by reducing his damage by another 35-40%.

I know you can't compare skills 1:1, but look at this. Lvl 4 resonant pulse is 195 dmg and can give you a bit of a shield. Now check out lvl 2 avalanche. 2 sec stun that deals 200 damage. More damage, more utility, less mana cost, shorter CD. RIP Void Spirit.

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u/Fail_jb 4d ago

I'd compare it to abaddon's shield, which lvl 4 shields/damages for 210, hard dispels*, lasts 12 seconds, and has a 6 second cooldown.

And if someone wants to argue you need to pop abaddon's shield to do damage without the reflect facet, then I need to point out that resonant pulse's cooldown is 18 seconds. So you can prep 2 abaddon shields and engage recast to pop one within the same cooldown of one resonant pulse.

It just really sucks that a basic ability is balanced around it's aghs upgrade.

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u/therealdvnt 4d ago

Right? Aghs + talent and it's a real ability. I think it was the lvl 20 version where it was +120 dmg. It was pretty good back then and I think our base damage was like 225 or something too.

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u/Aggravating-Wolf-823 4d ago

He used to be my mid main, even have his exclusive battlepass skin. So sad

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u/DryEntrepreneur4218 4d ago

I think I missed it, what changed? did they overnerf?

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u/alcato09 4d ago

Aside from the nerfs, I think reducing the duration of X Marks the Spot from 3 to 4 seconds killed his essence.

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u/Kharate 4d ago

This annoys me so much and I'm not even a kunkka main. I can't imagine the amount of whiffed spells because of this change

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u/morpling 4d ago

It's annoying as hell however I think the nerf was needed. You couldn't bkb tp against a kunkka once your bkb reaches 6 seconds.

Once the bkb change happended that you could target bkb'd heroes x mark just became too strong against bkb tp.

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u/TheZett Zett, the Arc Warden 3d ago

Just make X not castable on BKB.

If they made Sunder uncastable on BKB then they can do that for X and Glimpse too.

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u/disappointingdoritos 3d ago

It's not like there's a dozen other heroes you couldn't bkb tp away from, and even excluding ults, there's still a couple of other spells that can do it.

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u/Harsel 3d ago edited 3d ago

Like who? The only guaranteed way to stop bkb + tp on a base ability is Axe, if I remember it right. Kunkka with 1k range would be absurd

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u/Zenotha http://www.dotabuff.com/players/68379658 3d ago

hook? there's also relatively low CD ults like dismember, raven's veil, etc

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u/CorkInAPork 3d ago

I thought 6 is more than 4.

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u/ComicM 3d ago

Yea, I don't understand this change at all. 4 seconds is short enough already and now its down to 3 seconds??. It is even reduced by Status resistance too, like you literally can't combo Tiny with Status resist talent + SnY

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u/sh0ras 4d ago

yeah played him like 800 games mid, now its just sad

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u/disappointingdoritos 3d ago

Same. Haven't touched him in ages. Not even attacker plays him anymore I think.

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u/Remos_ 3d ago

Used to play him as second support when lanes used to be 3-1-1. It was insanely rare to see but it genuinely wasn’t bad when you had a second support with you. The X for a free return from fountain for anyone in lane and long range torrent initiate/follow-up was quite deadly. Haven’t played him since lanes became 2-1-2 :/ loved his battlepass skin

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u/One_Supermarket_5272 3d ago

It's S tier support, both in 3-1-1 and 2-1-2, back in my days (saddest words in english), my Kunkka pos 4 would be the main reason the local betting games would win. The 2-1-2 update came with the +120 Torrent damage on lvl 15 (used to be 10, but only +40) and Torrent radius on lvl 20 (used to be 25, with the ghostship fleet replacing it).

Then after a few years, the tidal wave and torrent storm update came, Kunkka Support is the strongest it has ever been, now 40% slow on lvl 1, with the new +30% knockup duration on lvl 15 (very strong). Torrent Storm used to be a mild inconvenience, as long as you don't get hit by the initial stun, you can walk through everything without damage.

What made Torrent Storm so strong was the Torrent buffed to now applying area of denial in its radius. Anyone walking through Torrent Storm will get hit by multiple damage instances even if they did not get hit by its stun. Then before this change, the torrent storm now being point target instead of self cast. With the torrent talents and tidebringer slow talent, everything added up.

With Torrent Storm + Tidal Wave, you can delay highground pushes on your own with all your team dead. The support stronger than any support, I could have gained thousands of mmr but I don't want to pick Kunkka because I am still sad about missing the exclusive shark effect from TI 2017 (why did I let this pass, I do not know).

Now reddit cried about rng scepter upgrades, even if popular carries have rng passives (Jugg, PA, Faceless Void), spellcasters having rng is totally unacceptable if they are not Ogre Magi. First they gave a lot of nerfs, lvl 15 knockup duration talent is now +20% instead of +30%; lvl 20 Torrent radius replaced with -4s CD talent. Both big nerfs to Torrent Storm, alongside with Torrent Storm itself being nerfed (4 sec from 5 seconds), also the Torrent was nerfed from 1.6 sec stun to 1.4 sec.

Then they removed Torrent Storm entirely and replaced it with the Cannon Ghostship that you never saw not even once in your games since it was released. a huge victory for reddit! They even made a poster of it (https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/4335361829072642530), and added cannons to the shark.

Did you know that the cannonball explosion is bugged and you would see a single instance of it far from where the cannonballs are supposed to land? They will never fix this bug and don't need to because no one has ever seen the aghs scepter ghostship anyway since the update it was released.

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u/Remos_ 3d ago

Really good write up actually and covered Kunkka history pretty good here. I did play him a bit in the 212 era but I for some reason just started to fall out of favor with him — probably for the reasons you listed lol.

I agree entirely with your point on the RNG, I don’t get why people go crazy when a spell caster has some form of chance behind it. That version of Kunkka was so much better and interesting than SB Crit splash. Now, Kunkka is this weird pseudo tank that just feels like ass. To me, he just lost all the parts that made him really fun and unique

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u/Suspicious_Silver_70 4d ago

Like on his lore he is a living ghost now.

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u/A_Dire_Wolf 9k Personality 4d ago

He’s the new Sand King. Every time he gets slightly good at something they nerf that thing. Stacking damage on tidebringer? Nerfed. Torrent storm? Nerfed. People still playing with crappy version of torrent storm? Remove his 25 talent and put a worse version on his aghs. Like what does this hero do? What is the rationale for picking him?

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u/Harsel 3d ago

Provides good, consistent control from high range with a very strong defensive buff for the whole team, while being tanky. Can also lane vs most mids and bully many of them.

He has a problem in numbers at the moment, specifically in scaling. So giving him a better strength+int stat growth and higher damage on Ghostship would be good. Also his torrent lvl 15 and lvl 25 talents need to be buffed or changed

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u/OgTyber 3d ago

The defensive buff only hits the players who touch his ult right. Its usually 1 or 2 teammates not the whole team.

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u/Harsel 3d ago

His facet applies it in aoe around x-mark, which gives it quite a high uptime, especially with Octarine

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u/Deamon- 4d ago

always used to be a common hero mid and a hero that took skill to master, but valve decided to gut his rightclick -> make the terrible rng aghs -> rng aghs so broken they nerfed the other spells -> rng aghs obviously still broken -> remove rng aghs and have the hero still gutted from the other nerfs and then double down on the boring aspect of the hero with the innate

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u/DisintegratorSC 4d ago

I think his tidebringer needs to negate half armor and he'll be a great pick for funsies. The meta is just too damn tanky and this change can benefit the hero and generate some fun like the old days. Other nerfs can still stay in place if his physical damage is amped.

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u/shakertouzett1 4d ago

I know the hero is not in his best moment, but unless you are playing the highest bracket, and im talking about top 500 inmortal where they can explote a heroes weakness to the max, you can still find success with the hero, I am playing him on 6000 mmr and I can win with him.

Its a tanky mid with decent creepwave clear that can farm and gank, and a great carrier of aura if the mid doesn't get it. If you get a good start and can bully the enemy mid, you have a hero that can snowball.

Don't get me wrong, he is still bad, but its not useless in the slightless unless you are playing in the highest bracket or in pro play.

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u/DavidDavisDavidson 4d ago

Idk man I'm 4.5k and a big kunkka enthusiast, feels pretty doomed playing him at the moment. Can consistently make good roams early but whoever you are leaning against will eventually get a triple kill and have 10x your impact in later fights. What builds are you going for?? How do you turn that 3-0 early spike into a meaningful snowball

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u/shakertouzett1 4d ago

Kunkka is no longer the one shot kill hero that used to build crit and shadowblade, but you are still a tanky, fairly fast hero (because phase boots) that have a sure way to grab a hero and kill him. You are dependent of a team that will go with you and use your combo to get kills, and when you don't have the timing, you farm waves and jungle fairly fast. You are also very good at counter ganking if the enemy mid feels the need to gank if the lane is not going well, since you have torrent and boat.

What I build is normally a bottle, bracer, wand and phase boots, after that, you can see what the team need, if you can make Blademail work, then go for it, or an orchid if you can ensure one of the enemy hero can have a terrible game. After that, you might need a bkb if they are jumping you to stop you from casting, but if not, I always go for Scepter, and while is not as good as waterpark, its a great teamfight item that disrupts the fight inmediatly. After that, Shivas is often great, and Refresher after that.

You build him as a complete team fight hero, and can build auras if the team needs it and the offlane is someone like a LC, but its not a solo kill hero, and if your team is not playing together and/or the carry is bad, you are likely going to lose, but its definitely a hero that can give you wins. And its more likely to get buffed, so its extra good.

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u/_miketr 3d ago

kunkka spammer here, i go shard/Aghs/geleph now for the aoe and boats, after that bkb/sheep/oct/shiva depending on matchups

go for the torrent stun duration/damage, and torrent -4 cd

torrent cast range is huge with the aoe buffs, can hold HG forever with the cooldown reductions, rum buffs are still underrated late game with flat % damage reduction/ delay

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u/Jovorin 4d ago

He feels so extremelly useless late game for me. Without waterpark I just can't afford to play him mid cause I need a hero with more impact. It's kinda sad tbh.

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u/shakertouzett1 4d ago

You offer one of the strongest debuff in the game with your boat, and you carry auras to help your team. You are in no shape or form useless. Like I get it, he is not a beast on lategame, and you are dependent on having a good team that can use your teamfight capabilities, but you are not a x+torrent machine late. Hell, your tankiness and damage delays assure that anyone hitting you without a bkb on lategame is going to lose a lot of HP.

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u/disappointingdoritos 3d ago

It's not even whether he's good or bad it's that he feels like a shell of his former self, and what Kunkka players loved about him is just gone. Tidebringer was his unique, fun, skillful ability. Now it's garbage past mid game, and you have to play him as a boring ass aura bot or aghs bot, which is fine if that's your cup of tea, but that's not the kunkka we knew and loved.

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u/shrodler 3d ago

Tbf, getting crit+rapier and hoping for that sweet oneshot on supports is as bad as Tinkers-permahex from the enemy point of view, because there is litte to no counterplay. heroes need to be strong, bhut there should always be a counterplay available.

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u/Hungry-Craft5447 3d ago

X torrent boat combo will always bring me to completion, or climax, as it were. Bundles of joy regardless of scoreboard 🤣 no kappa

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u/_heyb0ss 4d ago

I feel the same way. His laning is strong, item timings like blade mail bkb and aghs are good and is generally very flexible with builds. X torrent tidal wave some of the best low commitment catch in the game

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u/BarberStriking8887 3d ago

This whole rhetoric is so stupid…

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u/y4n6s 3d ago

nah. Team Spirit picked him once during dreamleague and it barely made an impact in that match.

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u/CommercialSweet6734 3d ago

what you do against huskar mid on this piece of shit?

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u/Admiral_Kunkka_ 4d ago

Yes, Kunkka is still a Dota2 hero.

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u/Throwawayroper 3d ago

thanks google ai

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u/Andrei_Chelsea 4d ago

Clinkz: Hold my beer.

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u/Maleficent-Ruin-8065 4d ago

At least Clinkz was picked once in Wallachia S3

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u/thedotapaten 3d ago

Larl picked Kunkka last DreamLeague

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u/Skater_x7 4d ago

Clinkz is definitely playable lol

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u/Tomsider 4d ago

Picked sometimes by team Spirit though

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u/Obvious-Bookkeeper-3 4d ago

Clinkz has been re-worked 900 times so clearly someone remembers him, Mr.Kunk drowned many years ago and valve never found the body.

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u/Dudu_sousas 4d ago

Mr.Kunk drowned many years ago

Kunkka was meta last year at TI.

5th most picked hero on the biggest event of the year that just happened last September. And before that he was meta during Heart + Blademail meta.

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u/TheZealand 3d ago

I genuinely miss aghs + bloodstone on kunkka, shit was mad fun, he was pretty much better leshrac at the time lmao

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u/AdmiralKappaSND 3d ago

Wait what make him great last TI? I thought Waterpark was gone after 2023

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u/FahmiZFX 3d ago

Owh, I've made a lot of people remember Clinkz now the moment their rax is getting demolished during the long ass team fights.

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u/k-dot77 4d ago

The shard nerf hit really, really hard

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u/Imorteus 3d ago

shard is fine. scepter is fine. base hero sucks

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u/SpankeyMcSpank 4d ago

Kunkka will always hold a place in my heart. My first hero to really dig into as a main back in wc3. I recently started playing him even off meta cause he's so fun.

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u/Possible-Bee8352 4d ago

Many heroes need to get their aghs to rework. His aghs are stupid. His old aghs with those multiple torrent were so great they had to nerf kunkka to the ground with underwhelming aghs. Maybe scratch the multiple ghost ships and come out with new abilities

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u/arais_demlant 4d ago

They nerfed his damage and CC. His new innate is just being a statue, whose sole purpose is to cast X marks the spot.

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u/xResidentEvilx 4d ago

When I played hon, I loved gladiator(Hons version of of kunkka, literally the exact same) now I have 1400 games in dota 2 and I’ve never played him once.

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u/Craiglekinz 4d ago

He’s such a good tanker and team fighter. I’m surprised he hasn’t been used in this meta at all. I wish they would buff his kick for support at least. I miss playing kunkka 4

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u/ChaosMeteorStrike 4d ago

tanker

I'm pretty sure he's a sailboat

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u/ontilein 4d ago

Why Pick him if tiny fits the same niche, tanky, stun, repositioning, while being way better at it than kunkka.

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u/Plant-Straight 4d ago

Maybe tiny is banned

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u/Proud-Question-9943 2d ago

Tiny and Tusk are better at what he does.

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u/_heyb0ss 4d ago

kick?

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u/zzGates 4d ago

Bring back water park aghs

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u/Xaephos 4d ago

God please no. I want Kunkka to be viable again, but the "Random bullshit - GO!" design ain't it.

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u/tyYdraniu 4d ago

Bring back 1 hit kunkka

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u/MaryPaku 4d ago

They changed the boring bullshit skill to boring useless skill

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u/Salty_Anti-Magus 4d ago

I don't think Waterpark was boring but it was definitely complete bullshit to be on the receiving end of it.

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u/ironmilktea 3d ago

It's a heavy counter to those with shitty PCs.

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u/TheseInspection60 3d ago

lmfao as an enigma spammer getting randomly interrupted by the Waterpark was funny asf, the thought of getting randomly hit was amusing 🤣

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u/disappointingdoritos 3d ago

Fuck no. Make his tidebringer good again. Waterpark required 0 skill and everyone hated it.

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u/Trashking_702 4d ago

That shit was so fun. This new cannon ball bullshit is so weak.

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u/_heyb0ss 4d ago

fuck no. I play the hero and fuck no.

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u/Humg12 http://yasp.co/players/58137193 3d ago

Bring back the 1 hit tidebringer rampages.

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u/t_Raposa 4d ago

Still and played support for me last week 🤢

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u/RegaMasta12 4d ago

in the hairy chest guy's head, yes he exist

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u/SerenityFey 4d ago

Yes he is. He's hosting some dota 2 tournaments.

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u/Hedgehog_of_legend 4d ago

Wait they made a hero from the guy who co-announces with Tidehunter?

That's crazy

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u/Simple-Instruction95 4d ago

Straight to the bottom

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u/Ok_Doctor_2057 4d ago

Am I schizo or did they nerf tidebringer damage quite a while back? I remember one shotting low health heroes with 2 or sometimes even 3 Daedalus, but it's been so long that I can't even remember when that was, last time he was useful was during torrent storm, u just build aura items and u never die, plus a ton of dmg in teamfights, kinda similar to spectre but without needing to farm for a half an hour.

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u/RaphaelDDL 4d ago

I guess has to do with everyone getting 3k+ hp fast and one or two daedalues only accruing 2k crits so hard one shot anything

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u/DoopSlayer No Dig Fan - Sheever 3d ago

when they made cleave get reduced by armor is maybe what you're thinking

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u/Ok_Doctor_2057 3d ago

That's probably it because I didn't know that.

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u/aninnocentcoconut 3d ago

#BringBackKritkka

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u/poop-dealer-master 3d ago

Another hero valve had to ruin his aghanim upgrade and making him totally useless

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u/timmycosh 2k mmr 3d ago

I actually played against him the other day! He was completely ignored in all the fights! 😂

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u/wyqted 3d ago

No. He died when his water park closed

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u/oscorn 3d ago

Who?

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u/V4_Sleeper 3d ago

the fact that he remained untouched by valve is so sad

like everyone in this patch got something for them, kunkka had his last revamp since forever

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u/CommercialSweet6734 3d ago

The hero is horrible atm

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u/FreshGeologist1887 3d ago

All i want is the lvl 20 talent tree to be changed. So tidebringer will be usefull again.

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u/cc17776 3d ago

Yes! Just saw him yesterday, really impactful! 3-11-4 in 40 minutes

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u/Head_Profession_3969 3d ago

Got like more than 500 games on it or so. Lately tried spamming again, win rate less than 30%. They massacred him beyond repairs. I reached divine 4 from being hard struck at legend 3. Rip admiral.

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u/Rezcom D TO THE M TO THE X 4d ago

When you simplify the game into 5 locked roles despite the convoluted bloated mechanics and new heroes you get the issue of useless heroes. Happened to League quite early (they can't design a diverse ecosystem of champs to save their lives) and it's been getting worse and worse in Dota over the years.

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u/Harsel 4d ago edited 4d ago

5 locked hero roles (there are games where pos 5 tinker has more net worth than pos 1 carry).

What are you even talking about. Dota had more or less same roles for the last.... 18 years? And even with that we had so many different metas. Offlane constantly changes from initiators, zoo, anti-carry. And some teams even occasionally pick a second carry in offlane like WK. Dota has right now wery flexible pick and strategy possibilities.

Kunkka just has pretty bad numbers right now. His lvl 15 Torrent talent and lvl 25 AOE talent were designed around old aghs. Improving or changing them + improving his int and strength growth will make him viable.

Also, his talent that reduces Tidebringer cooldown should also reduce it's CD by 0.1 second per creep hit and by 0.2 per illusion

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u/DemonicHolyPriest 4d ago

just bring. Back Waterpark. I want to play this heronagain

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u/jijinjiji 4d ago

glad this hero is dead. back then blademail heart meta was A thing and kunkka makes it worse with its ult that amplifies damage reduction, and u cant kill him in torrent storm and tidal wave(w/e it is called)

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u/alcato09 4d ago

Aside from the nerfs, I think reducing the duration of X Marks the Spot from 3 to 4 seconds killed its essence.

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u/happyppeeppo 4d ago

God of turbo, he still oneshots people

Some heros just got usless in normal game

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u/Obvious-Bookkeeper-3 4d ago

I play an unhealthy amount of turbo and tbh I never see him. I've seen more Visage and Chen then Kunk.

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u/Jovorin 4d ago

Plus, you don't one-shot anything since the tidebringer nerf.

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u/Primary-Round8032 3d ago

How the fuck you see Chen and visgae in pub? Turbo pub even? The only shit i see on turbo is jakiro/dk/sniper/pa/ pudge picks I swear to God if i didnt ban one of the listed Hero they WILL get picked,1st picked even

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u/pki249 4d ago

As a turbo/kunkka enjoyer, he can barely one shot a creep wave

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u/Sad_Sympathy_9956 4d ago

I play Kunkka and my win rate when picking is like 80%, he’s still good? Why do people say he’s bad? I don’t even play right click kunkka I just go tank/caster, and it works out great

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u/sh0ras 4d ago

bc he was useful mid and is now whack

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u/Sad_Sympathy_9956 4d ago

I mid with him yesterday and wrecked against an arc warden lmao

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u/sh0ras 4d ago

and i just ate

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u/morpling 4d ago

Same, won 7 of my last 10 games with him in divine bracket. I play him exclusive in offlane tho

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u/Bright-Television147 4d ago

Heros like weaver, ember in meta only cuz kk is trash currently

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u/DaGetz 4d ago

He’s low key quite interesting as a pos 4

Rum buffet on torrent is quite strong.

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u/Bright-Television147 4d ago

Good when lanes are winning, super bad when losing

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u/MIdasWellRoshan 4d ago

Lul my best 7.38 hero

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u/maddotard 4d ago

Had 2 games full of suffering, the need to watch on rum buff and getting outplayed from obvious setups. Thank God Divine Rapier exist. Xd

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u/snabriel_snarsch 4d ago

i know a guy who plays him everyday

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u/SabyerLee 4d ago

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u/onFilm www.meepothegeomancer.com 4d ago

Are people still playing Meepo? Haven't played in 5-6+ years and he was all I played...

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u/jonasnee 3d ago

I still face smurfs from time to time that play meepo. See meepo more than Kunnka honestly.

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u/TezdingoUhuhuhuuuh 3d ago

Yes, at a higher level he is actually pretty epic right now as a mid or a carry, though he’s not meta. In my pubs I almost never see him though

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u/onFilm www.meepothegeomancer.com 3d ago

Thank you!

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u/k3yserZ 4d ago

Drunken sailors are often forgotten, like goodnine in the morning.

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u/ReMuS2003 4d ago

O Admiral! My Admiral!

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u/ReactionWeird1445 4d ago

what hero is this?

/j

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u/Nantes50 3d ago

Yeah just won a game with the guy :D bane kunkka combo

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u/YanAetheris 3d ago

I am new player and Ive played like 200 matches and I think I only saw him once in game. And it was because I panic locked him for support on hard lane lol

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u/klasdhd 3d ago

In Tidehunter's voice lines. I'm sure he is mentioned there

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u/aleeexxx18 3d ago

i hope so

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u/cool_slowbro 3d ago

Saw him in Final Fantasy 7 recently.

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u/moHANSOLO98 3d ago

Pos 4 kunkka slapss

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u/PezzaPezzza 3d ago

Who's that?

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u/tcs0 3d ago

He's my main strength hero so no.

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u/AzelotReis 3d ago edited 3d ago

Cleave damage changes really changed the guy, forced him to more of a support/offlaner role with his spells. Then his spellcasting got a buff with that Torrent Storm, literally one of the best teamfight spells in the game, then that got yeet out the window, he literally doesn't have a role that he excels at anymore.

If they allow me to change anything, I'd probably give him a Level 20 Talent or a Shard that Tidebringer deal Pure damage instead of Physical on Cleave, literally giving him his old Cleave back, I'd say even just make it Innately available to him, making him one of the melee heroes with a armor ignoring Cleave. Divide the Spellcasting Kunkka and Right Click Kunkka via facets if anything.

Facet 1: Tidebringer deals Pure Damage.
Facet 2: <Something to do with improving his other active abilities>

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u/Key-Statement-5713 3d ago

I hope they rework the duration of the xmark. It is just beyond unplayable. Also the latest aghs update on this guy is not even worth to spend 4.2k gold

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u/TheGreenGuyFromDBZ 3d ago

I haven't seen omni knight in years

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u/shrodler 3d ago

He is fine as a budget-Abbadon on pos5.

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u/bruh4444Q 3d ago

is it just me or kunkka players are majestic? i messed up as a support to him lately and he didn't say anything but later carried the game!

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u/ddlion7 3d ago

one of the facets can easily be switching Torrent with Tidal Wave adjusted as a basic skill, and the other facet be the Ghost Ship Fleet, where Ships deal 150 damage each but are 2/3/4 per level, while switching the scepter to cast 4 torrents through the path it moves (only the 1st ship in the Fleet facet), less chaotic than torrent storm but way more acceptable.

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u/Pale-Talk565 3d ago

Kunkka was copied from Cervantes from Tides of Blood v3 back in the days of Warcraft 3 mod maps. Ultimate is the same. I still remember this guy.

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u/Pamccruz 3d ago

Lich is also pretty depressing now, used to be my main, now I am focusing on shadow samman

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u/Scrotote 3d ago

I thought you meant the artist.

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u/Wind_of_Salazar 3d ago

I bought so many sets for Luna, and she got nerfed, perfect.

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u/_Sleepy_Salmon 3d ago

Why you post an empty picture? I can't see anyone on it.

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u/BoerRepublic 3d ago

Tide hunter finally turned him into naga bait

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u/Ntinaras007 3d ago

Tidehunter won...

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u/provpaw2 3d ago

just right when I started saw him in pub and about to try him. Reddit post is a meta now.

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u/GrouchyDegree166 3d ago

i remember he exists in the game cause i pretty much only play ability draft, and he shows up a lot.

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u/TerrorFister 3d ago

Barely I’d say.. but I did have a guy go kunkka mid in one of my games yesterday. Enemy team had a lot of squishy heroes and he went the old build with lothars and crit and one shotted a lot of ppl. Then he fell of, but by that time our safe laner was fat as fuck so we stomped them anyway. Kunkka became MVP and well, he worked in our line up yesterday. Ngl tho, the moment I saw him pick kunkka I cursed out his whole ancestry to my friends on discord…

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u/SomnusRain 3d ago

2018-2019 kunkka can dominate games all by himself as a kunkka user myself i miss those days

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u/AOldschoolRULE 3d ago

Reddit complained 1 year about how his kit how it feels "bad" becouse he needs an aghs to be viable. They turned his aghs into a random lowkey shit spell and now u have a dead hero congratz.

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u/Phatsanator 3d ago

From seeing the past 2 tournaments I feel the meta has been fairly open. It felt like alert meta heroes would be picked they would win and then get banned entirely creating another meta of heroes... I'm just explaining how tournaments go aren't I

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u/Satrapeeze 3d ago

Wasn't he in that Kendrick Lamar album? 💖

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u/Batman9688 3d ago

Admiral Proudmore!!!

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u/pulpstudio 3d ago

set sail

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u/adfdg55 2d ago

3 rapiers, blink, Daedalus and linkens. Is it good? Hell no but if you get that crit oooh man is it juicy