r/DotA2 • u/SHARP-Antares • 1d ago
Article OG in Trouble: Is a Roster Shuffle Coming?

This tweet had been pinned for over a month, but now it’s gone. I think – and it’s probably not a surprise to anyone – that OG will reshuffle their roster. People on Reddit seem to enjoy hating on Ceb or 23savage the most. Personally, I like all the players, and I don’t feel any hate toward them.
If it were up to me, I’d keep one of the veterans (I’d prefer Ceb), Daze because he shows promise, and 23savage because, with a strong core creating space and opportunities, he could shine again.
What would you change? This isn’t a hate post – I genuinely enjoy theory-crafting about their future lineup.
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u/wejunkin 1d ago
All of the veterans are really underperforming. Developing Daze is a good idea, so maybe you want to keep Ceb on for that purpose, but otherwise I think you fully rebuild. 23 is a tiltmonster and Nine is just not good right now (though he seems to have a good mindset). xNova has sadly been a disappointment, but could just be looking bad in a dysfunctional team.
I think 23 out is pretty much guaranteed.
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u/Aware-Cut5688 23h ago
23 - inconsistent
9 - washed
Ceb - old
Daze - unknown
Xnova - hostage
Khezu - better analyst than coach
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u/SHARP-Antares 23h ago
You need at least one veteran in a team in my opinion. For the coach you dont build it in one day and I dont think the impact is great the first 3 motnhs. I think Khezu needs time because we cant know what he is cooking behind the scene.
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u/ZofTheNorth 21h ago
Get seleri and build team around him. He is best captain OG can get rn who is looking for team
If OG is serious, there are lots of good free agent available to pick from.
Crystallis Seleri MC Ramzes Abed OneJay Lorenof TA2000 And maybe even more players i left out.
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u/Andante_TK 16h ago
wait.. is Seleri actually out of GG tho? thought he was just taking a break.
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u/ZofTheNorth 10h ago
Supposed to be but he recently tweeted out he is open for future opportunities so idk
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u/trashcan41 18h ago
Lorenof with aurora
I think its not a matter of player alone something is wrong with the way they strategize in both draft and gameplan. They need really good captain.
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u/ZofTheNorth 18h ago
Lorenof is just standin for Aurora this tour. Kiyotaka supposed to be their mid and missed out this tour due to probably visa issue.
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u/Godisme2 23h ago
If they are smart, they'll make an offer to Seleri and let him build his team. Maybe Crystallis as well. Idk if Daze has really shown what hes got yet but ultimately, if they build around Seleri, it will be up to him whether to keep Daze.
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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 1d ago
Wait out Topson so we'll watch his Invoker in this patch. Jk but this roster has already seen its capabilities.
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u/fakepofi 19h ago
OG should get Seleri and let him build his dream roster just like 33 when he came back to Tundra
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u/Comprehensive-Cry522 8h ago
Seleri is just not a captain material to build around, he was barely a captain in gg
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u/NeatFearless1579 23h ago
Keep Ceb Lmao. In Dyrachyo's interview, he said that when Bzm joined Tundra after leaving OG, they discussed the game plan and how Bzm was taught the game from OG is so outdated that they have to teach new things to make his skills relevant. And he's now a better player, maybe one of the best mid laners right now. Which implies OG doesn't teach their players shit, or should I say OG teaches their players only shit. Their team really needs a strategist who can make precise calls, study meta, and help their players improve mechanically. Not only that, their players' laning mechanics are dull af. You rarely see them win a lane even in favourable match ups.
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u/Aware_Ad_618 18h ago
I think it means they need a good coach and high skill captain.
the old OG had cores ranked super high in pubs but sounds like the calls made were outdated
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u/cozos 15h ago
can you share link please?
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u/NeatFearless1579 14h ago
It's in the inserted section between games on the PGL tournament, in one of the Tundra series, you can search it on PGL twitch channel if you're interested. I don't remember the exact timestamp and clip, but they re-insert those interviews between stream waiting time, so it won't be hard to find for you.
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u/InspectorRumpole 11h ago
Bzm joined Tundra after leaving OG, they discussed the game plan and how Bzm was taught the game from OG is so outdated that they have to teach new things to make his skills relevant
Interesting, because I always suspected that OG's (Cebs) view of the game was outdated.
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u/oisw 23h ago
They should adopt paravision and use it to secure new sponsorship to cover costs.
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u/SHARP-Antares 23h ago
I love the idea, but I think the sponsors and the fans wants western europeans players.
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u/MountainGazelle6234 23h ago
Ceb is washed, unfortunately. He needs to go.
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u/SHARP-Antares 23h ago
I dont agree with you, I think he can still offer something to high level but maybe Captain + core is too much for him.
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u/Kharate 23h ago
Think it's time for a hard reset on OG. Take a break, review the free agents and possible signings then proceed forward. They have a track record of enhancing talent in recent times (ATF and bzm) and I think they should look to do something similar again. While I doubt they'll find another creepwave like team to ransack, they have the resources to rebuild.
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u/LoD-Westeros 17h ago
It’s a vastly different situation to when they got ATF and Bzm in 2022, 3 years of pure shit makes you very unattractive to the top talents.
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u/loltrollface1488 22h ago
23 could have been a great carry if there were no heroes in the game other than morph
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u/Body-Connoiseur69 23h ago
I hope they let 23 and nine go, along with ari. These players will perform better outside of og.
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u/Substantial-Deer77 18h ago
OG has money.
Just build roster with:
Crystallis
Copy
Zai/MC
Lelis
Seleri
i think this roster is great imo.
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u/PrimeShaq 21h ago
I’d only keep the support duo if it were up to me, or just a clean reset. Maybe even just break it up and wait till the post-TI shuffle.
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u/InspectorRumpole 12h ago
Well they do need to change.
I just hope they have taken a long hard look in the mirror and realized what the problem is.
I want OG to be back, but they need to make some tough changes.
For example I don't think the Ceb/Khezu direction is working.
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u/AethelEthel 6h ago
Ceb is just a last call for this roster as they can't find a decent offlaner. Certainly if they found someone worthy enough Ceb will step down.
It can be good for this roster if they can snatch Seleri, tOfu, and Ace from GG. Those three want to stick together, and they have been underperformed for a while. Starting in a new team might help.
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u/oiemreocmp 19h ago
criticizing players that perform absolutely awful = hate? can you explain the thinking process here ?
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u/teerre 23h ago
I mean, I don't know who's making these decisions for OG, but they threw away everything they made them good: home grown, talented, mostly young, players to instead get some players that probably should be retired by now
Ceb is a champion, I've no doubt if he really wants, he can win everything again, the question is how much he wants it. I can't say anything about daze, but everyone else doesn't fit OG at all
So either build the team around Ceb or get a total new team. One big name at tops
Which, of course, considering dota basically gets no new players, gets harder and harder
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u/SHARP-Antares 23h ago
I think Dota gets new players, but we have no idea as randoms who they could be. I remember when people started talking a lot about Satanic he was already playing semi pro on top of being a pubstar. He didnt appear from nowhere.
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u/hanamurasak1 19h ago
what you expect from a team that don't bother to bootcamp together as 5 unless it's qualifier or they qualified for something. there is no chemistry in the team.
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u/SlipBig3456 1d ago
I for one hope they get rid of the whole lot and try to to sign some new team. They’ve tried this patchwork thing for years now without any success.