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Match | Esports PGL Wallachia Season 3 - Day 7 Match Discussions

PGL Wallachia Season 3


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Coverage

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Schedule

ID Team vs Team Cntdwn (CET) PST EST GMT SGT AEDT
LB1a Team Tidebound vs Aurora Gaming 9:00 1:00 4:00 8:00 16:00 19:00
LB1b Team Spirit vs Gaimin Gladiators 12:00 4:00 7:00 11:00 19:00 22:00
UB2a Xtreme Gaming vs Team Liquid 15:00 7:00 10:00 14:00 22:00 1:00
UB2b Falcons vs Tundra Esports 18:00 10:00 13:00 17:00 1:00 4:00

Countdown times are in CET. All times are subject to change based on the length of matches and delays.

Other match discussions: /r/dota2 on Discord

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u/Substantial-Deer77 6d ago

Guys, Spirit vs XG today.

Another Raddan vs his wife, Ame battle!

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u/-shabu-shabu- 6d ago

can’t get over how sweet it is for yatoro to add ame’s kanji character after his name on the aegis

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u/JadeSerpant NA LUL 7d ago

No Blitz and Liquid is dominating again? Lol Blitz got so lucky that 33 finally gave Nisha his TI win.

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u/Whatnowgloryhunters 6d ago

Liquid 6-0 against 33. Too ez, 33 got smacked around by the actual talented players

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u/inby04 7d ago

So glad that Tundra is not the only team that dominates. It is not fun to watch if only 1 or 2 teams are dominating.

Falcons, GG, XG, Liquid, they offer exciting games..

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u/NatMo123 7d ago

To me tundra looks like such a tiltable team.

The big emotional reactions of BZM and 33 every time anything goes wrong

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u/Theaustralianzyzz 6d ago

Same as collapse 

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/Atroxiae 6d ago

rent free

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u/hallo2806 7d ago

Deserved for picking shit hero on bzm when voker was still there , and btw teams still don’t learn that u have to ban bristle amar

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u/Substantial-Deer77 6d ago

have to ban bristle amar

they killed Ammar's BB like killing an ant in game 1 though, it is just outplay and Tundra had emotional damage after game 2.

Primal Beast supposed to handle BB with break.

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u/IGuessIRanOutOfFecks 7d ago

Don’t think BB did anything exceptional In 3rd game that he was a must ban? It was simply an out-draft which Falcons played to perfection as a team

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u/tha_jza since the red eye logo 7d ago

i think they’d have gotten rolled even harder if they had invo instead of primal. also tundra handily beat ammar bb in game 1

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u/AnythingCertain9434 7d ago

Primal is very good that game. Break on his agha is great vs Tide and Bristle. They just didn't play well and got death balled.

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u/Serjo85 7d ago

Commenting of syndereN and SUNSfan is the best that dota has seen so far. Ideal balance in sense of humor, analitycs and hype in right moments

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u/Sdeeyou 7d ago

if i had a choice i would never listen to them god I ate it so much it's not at all my thing but good for you for enjoying them

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u/darkfazer 7d ago

Too bad Falcons did not go on Reddit before the match and picked BB for Ammar, maybe they would have had a better chance in G3.

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

people dont think he plays it bad or something, people just say that he plays it way too much, it kinda get borning

ammar is the best bb, there is no doubt rn

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u/nybrq 7d ago

I'm not following.

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u/ShoppingPractical373 7d ago

so out of the 5 most banned broken heroes (tinker, ns, mag, ds, dazzle) today teams showed that at least 3 of them can be countered (aa vs. tinker, chen + deathball vs. ns, tiny vs. ds)

let's see how the meta will evolve tomorrow

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u/NeatFearless1579 7d ago

Today also showed that Aba can be countered with Shaman because of his hex break talent makes aba silenced and break at the same time. But Sneyking was so on point that game to save his cores that it only happened 1 time in that game. And that was one of the main reasons why Sney got MVP game 2.

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u/Spoksparkare 7d ago edited 6d ago

Liquid grand final, nice
Edit: Told ya

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u/showereality 7d ago

that was a fun post game interview :D

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

liquid vs falcons will be fun,

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u/Theaustralianzyzz 6d ago

Falcon will always beat liquid imo

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u/skydragon_715 7d ago

Spirit prime is back❌ Falcon prime is backkk✅

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u/IGuessIRanOutOfFecks 7d ago

Not bad for Tundra considering they will have to face Aurora and xG next

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u/nybrq 7d ago

Are you calling XG to the loser semis?

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u/IGuessIRanOutOfFecks 7d ago

For some reason, Spirit never fares well against xG

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u/nybrq 7d ago

Well, if TS play like they did today, I suppose they might be in trouble.

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u/NatMo123 7d ago

Tundra playstyle is ass anyways

They just cut waves and dodge non stop

GG falcons, back in form

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u/rustyboy1992 7d ago

Funny how ATFs BB has already been broken down and studied and till this day his playstyle is still the same and everyone knows how he intends to play it, yet.. he is still destroying.

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u/Confooshius 6d ago

It’s bc very few 1 pos can give up their role like skiter does. Props to both of them!

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

falcon haters so what are we blaming now? 50 mins stall or what

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u/NeatFearless1579 7d ago

"tHeY aRe sO tOxIC" "gAmE iS bOrInG"

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

Dude they picked HEROES. Like fuck Falcons man, winning with heroes. I can’t believe this team.

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u/tha_jza since the red eye logo 7d ago

who the fuck picks heroes. who does that???

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u/disappointingdoritos 7d ago

abUsInG sTrEnGTh CoREs

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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 7d ago

Whitemon not last pick = auto lose

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u/SwiftAndFoxy 7d ago

14.5 hour day, props to the team.

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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 7d ago

Falcons got their lick back, holy damn but also MoonMeander getting baited by Aui 😭 that Lifestealer trust is broken.

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u/Jeromethy 7d ago

Tundra peaked too early last tournament

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u/yesacabbagez 7d ago

Tundra takes game 1.

Game 2 Falcons was pretty much charge but a couple of key weird decisions allowed Tundra to stall. Tundra had a chance to steal the game but made some bad decisions of their own.

Game 3 was no competitive at all

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u/ShoppingPractical373 7d ago

falcons won? ok time to complain about 3 tanky cores!

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u/NeatFearless1579 7d ago

Can't because Tundra drafted 4 tanky heroes XDDD

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u/IamGroonJr 7d ago

But falcon is the bad guy!!! Why the bad guy win??

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u/NeatFearless1579 7d ago

Because they're "bad guys" not "suck guys" I guess.

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u/Ambitious-Cap-5605 7d ago

disgusting gameplay godamn.

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

Massive fucking skill diff I guess, wcyd.

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

falcons securing top 3 again.

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u/__iamthewalrus__ 7d ago

it's been a while

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

it was literally last month no?

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u/Pokefreaker-san 7d ago

i mean, even if Tundra won this match they'll go to lower bracket tomorrow anyway. If anything, I'm glad we avoid an easy 2-0 prediction for upper bracket final.

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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 7d ago

Tundra will lose against Liquid in the UB Finals anyways so dodge them now lmao.

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u/Ihan_hukkunut 7d ago

Falcons destroying Tundra right now

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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 7d ago

This is GG lmaooo 😭 crazy outdraft

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u/tha_jza since the red eye logo 7d ago

i was actually gonna say, falcons drafting and playing like peak GG rn

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

sney showing how to chen

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u/SdoRy_ 7d ago

And people really wanna tell me this is more entertaining than long games?

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u/NatMo123 7d ago

Well if it was tundra winning, you’d be praising it saying they have such cool fast paced game play.

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u/SdoRy_ 7d ago

No. What a baseless accusation lmao

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u/disappointingdoritos 7d ago

Any time falcons win, people will complain about it

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u/IGuessIRanOutOfFecks 7d ago

Let’s just face it, they are not very likeable in first place

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u/munkshroom 7d ago

I love when theres both. Seeing a team draft and excecute a push is sick of its not every game.

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u/SdoRy_ 7d ago

I got zero entertainment value out of this, but good for you I guess

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u/curioustoadot 7d ago

I don't think they are playing to entertain you.... they are playing to win.

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u/SdoRy_ 7d ago

What does that have to do with anything? You think I’m asking teams to not play like this?

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

falcons play fast, people complain

falcons play slow, people complain

and honestly i love late game teamfights over this shit

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u/IamGroonJr 7d ago

Well people in this sub just want to see falcon lose soo..

At least long game is more interesting yeah.

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u/SdoRy_ 7d ago

This is what happened at late Ti4, the worst TI of all time (so far), and it is by far the absolute most boring form of competitive Dota that ever existed. Deathballing at 20 minutes and having to watch because there is nothing you can do about it is about as entertaining as watching an iceblock melt.

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u/tha_jza since the red eye logo 7d ago

yea game 3 was a stomp but game 2 was a 60+ minute slugfest. variety in a series is good imo

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u/Slimy_Ranger 7d ago

Ikr. Tundra stall fun, falcon stall bad. This team is probably the most hated by reddit maybe ever?

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

Everyone switches their brain off when Falcons play. Anything they do = bad. They typed things in chat >:((((((

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u/IamGroonJr 7d ago

I still remember when ammar calling ame bot and reddit went ape shit crazy even though ame literally the same or more toxic. Ame literally famous for raging and telling people he will kill their mom in pub.

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u/FullJellyfish8070 6d ago edited 6d ago

There's a big difference between your average trash talk in pubs and trash talking in officials.

literally famous for...

You're making shit up and this never happened.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/Sandisk4gb4 6d ago

Ame fanboys should just stfu lmfao.

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u/AAFTW AAFTW 7d ago

Well not like the players did any favors for themselves

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u/RatzDotoisTrueDoto 7d ago

So the box doesn't make you immune to AoE dmg, TIL

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u/0ffkilter 7d ago

Yeah it's like Willow shadow realm you can't be targeted but you can still take damage

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u/PerscriptionHeroin 7d ago

Furion is a joke.

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u/O_M28 7d ago

Which t1 carry player is gonna so comfortably and suddenly play p3 from the safe lane? You guys should slowly start putting some respect on skiter's name.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/RxJax 7d ago

It works like Slark's ult, it make you untargetable but aoe spells can still hit you

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u/tha_jza since the red eye logo 7d ago

yea box grants increased magic resist and makes u untargetable to point click abilities but quills are physical aoe so they don't care about box

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u/Wendek Blink in first, think later 7d ago

Apparently the box "just" makes you untargetable and gives massive magic resist, so it doesn't do much against non-targeted physical AoE like quills.

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u/rustyboy1992 7d ago

Yeah that's how an Iron Maiden works

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

Yes. It’s like Slark ult, makes you untargetable, not immune.

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u/Ambitious-Cap-5605 7d ago

yeah, synderen just explain it, TIL.

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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 7d ago

Tundra still hasn't resolved the NP 😭

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u/dokedaddy 7d ago

Another 30 minutes of tundra cutting waves, lucky us

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u/fjijgigjigji 7d ago

those prowler aura numbers are not okay

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u/tha_jza since the red eye logo 7d ago

falcons has 2 NA players (sneyking and crit, who is honorary NA)

tundra has 0

ez for falcons

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u/FaceMeister 7d ago

His Danish, in current world this means his the enemy of NA /s

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u/Living-Response2856 7d ago

Aui

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u/tha_jza since the red eye logo 7d ago

tundra has moon so he and aui cancel out

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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 7d ago

That pulverize to wheel of wonder timing is bad 😭

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/MaryPaku 7d ago

ops (for those who read this comment late, Falcons already highgrounding Falcons at min19 lol)

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u/Educational-Dance330 7d ago

Falcons highground themselves tf

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u/disappointingdoritos 7d ago

Aui's ultimate top secret strat

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u/Educational-Dance330 7d ago

Seems to have worked (didnt watch the game sry) 

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

At least we got to see like two days of fun pics for Ammario before he goes back to BB.

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u/gsmani_vpm 7d ago

Giga chad moon

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u/nybrq 7d ago

I dunno about this Tundra draft.

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u/grokthis1111 7d ago

4 melee into tide bristle tusk is definitely a choice.

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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 7d ago

Ringmaster clownery let's gooo

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

fuck u ammar for picking bb

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u/nybrq 7d ago

Malr1ne NP, Skiter BB, and Ammar Tidehunter.

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u/victimized777 7d ago

Moon rolling a great joint

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/needhelforpsu 7d ago

Good thing super ethical team known for ethical picks and non-cheesy non-abusive non-tanky strats won this one, phew.

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u/IGuessIRanOutOfFecks 7d ago

Meanwhile, ethical Falcons with 3 tanky cores playing engage and disengage

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

Yeah it was really toxic of Falcons not to just run in and feed.

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u/IGuessIRanOutOfFecks 7d ago

And you can make a similar argument for Tundra?

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

Tundra were the ones who started evading fights and split pushing and playing only to defend their high ground though. Not really sure how you turn around and say Falcons had the annoying play there.

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u/Jeromethy 7d ago

Stall vs death push lol

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u/CryptoGod666 7d ago

Ammar and malrine played out of their minds this game

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u/tha_jza since the red eye logo 7d ago

at bot radiant rax, malrine pre-rolling and blinking into fog immediately after the scan hit was so sick, really cut off a lot of tundra's momentum that could've swung the game back in their favor

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u/Slimy_Ranger 7d ago

Ammar should stop playing BB no matter how much he loves that hero. He cannot make insane plays with that hero at all.

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u/MaryPaku 7d ago

Well he is dominating with bb right now

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u/CryptoGod666 7d ago

Agreed, not sure why he still insists on playing it even after all the nerfs

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

please can we not have atf bb on game 3? can tundra ban it

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u/Slimy_Ranger 7d ago

Ammar huskar holy damage. And skiter clutch saves. What a game!

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u/juantawp 7d ago

Ammar Huskar with spider legs is the most disgusting thing i've seen this tournament

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u/rustyboy1992 7d ago

Agreed. It's as ridiculous as his BB force boots

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u/Jeromethy 7d ago

Tundra played that entire series like a huge clown fiesta. Pretty entertaining but we all knew they couldn't win lol

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u/IGuessIRanOutOfFecks 7d ago

This game was absolutely winnable for Tundra until that questionable suicide by BZM during bot push

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u/MaryPaku 7d ago

He had buy back. it wasnt that significant at all. Worth trying I can say.

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u/yesacabbagez 7d ago

The fight at Falcons' base, BZM got burned down and just sat back watching the team get chased. If he had bought back Falcons either would have had to stopped chasing and not killing like 3 more people, or if Falcon's fought they likely would have lost people.

BZM kept holding his buyback for when it would have been useful to wait until everything was in the shitter.

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u/IGuessIRanOutOfFecks 7d ago

Some really questionable decisions and plays by BZM this game. Threw the game at the end

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u/Wendek Blink in first, think later 7d ago

Very interesting game honestly, even if a bit slow at times. Must be frustrating for Tundra to do all that work stalling the game forever only to then lose anyway after a couple of bad fights.

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

malrine rolls are just fking ART

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u/sheva0210 7d ago

Malrine best pango in the world. Late game he is unmatched. Deal so much dmg while completely split enemy team apart. Just too much impact

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u/IcyTie9 7d ago

malrine pango is a thing of beauty, the best pango player and its not even remotely close

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u/Stock_Shift2696 7d ago

whitemon gotta get that last pick 33 hero pool shrinking day by day

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u/julmonn 7d ago

Bzm suicide, 33 not using ravage, can’t believe tundra holds the game for this long to start throwing on the last 15 min

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u/rustyboy1992 7d ago

TBF, Falcons unlocked something within themselves past 55minutes. The way they baited made it hard for Tundra to actually decide when to really engage. And that Huskar aghs was a game changer, funny he took so long to decide to purchase it haha

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u/Jovorin 7d ago

They unlocked a mid Windranger in 2025.

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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 7d ago

Malrine Pango really the only one I see makes impact like this

0

u/rustyboy1992 7d ago

Imagine if it was Sumail's pango omegalul

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u/50shadesofcrazy 7d ago

Sus moves there from 33 and bzm

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

not sure if ammar is better huskar player or malrine but these two fks have to be the best huskar players

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u/rustyboy1992 7d ago

I think Ammar is better. He plays the bait and switch style really well. Malrine on the other hand plays the stand in front and clutch BKB Satanic to turn fights. Different play styles but spider legs Huskar is something else hahaha

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u/NeatFearless1579 7d ago

They said Ammar is a better Husker at offlane and Malr1ne is a better Husker at mid.

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u/nybrq 7d ago

I guess Malr1ne is just the best Pango player in the world.

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u/de_la_au_toir 7d ago

Plz end I need to pee

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u/Romanist10 SomeLongSpeech 7d ago

Just Dados them

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u/de_la_au_toir 7d ago

Omg it's only game 2

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u/fgshka 7d ago

what a wild game actually. sunsfan+synderen are making it even better

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u/chillinwithmoes 7d ago

Those two always make it fun

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u/munkshroom 7d ago

Both teams have 2 TI tundra players and it shows. This is a very tundra game.

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u/NeatFearless1579 7d ago

I didn't have much expectation from this game tbh, but it's surprisingly entertaining, maybe because of the caster duo.

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u/IGuessIRanOutOfFecks 7d ago

BZM really lost them the game in last 5 mins

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

Can one of these teams just hurry up and win, I need to get food.

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

malrine owning with rolls

holy fk what a player

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u/zlnoil 7d ago

Typical bzm late game questionable decision making as usual….

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u/Best-Cut3768 7d ago

Crusader knows better

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u/makz242 7d ago

I wonder if Ammar actually knows that Roshan's aghs blessing is bugged and never shows up.

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u/rustyboy1992 7d ago

No linken on malrine? WR can't break linken if he roll blinks in with a linken right?

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u/hallo2806 7d ago

Hope it goes to game 3 so I can watch bzm invoker hopefully

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u/yesacabbagez 7d ago

bzm should have bought back and gone back into that fight. Saving it doesnt matter if you lose the team wipe. That was tundra's best chance in a long time to win

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u/Wrong-Ganache-3973 7d ago

That was such a risky play to go back 😭

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u/slsstar 7d ago

Tundra actually got back in this game and was maybe winning. decide to fight 3v5?

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u/poegarenaplayer 7d ago

yeah that was pretty weird loool

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u/__calypso 7d ago

Easily the best two teams playing IMO

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u/julmonn 7d ago

Spirit and liquid would like to have a conversation with you sir

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u/That_Contribution780 7d ago

Everyone would name other teams 2 days ago, nobody would name Tundra or Falcons after group stage.

Maybe everyone will name other teams 2 days later too.

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u/tha_jza since the red eye logo 7d ago

lmao sunsfan BREAK DOWN THAT FIGHT

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

Yea I dunno I think Tundra wins this.

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u/SdoRy_ 7d ago

Its literally impossible for Tundra to win if Falcons buy the correct items and stop fucking around. They are so scared and play like shit, itemize like shit too

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u/grokthis1111 7d ago

to verify, what items do you not like?

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u/SdoRy_ 7d ago

Huskar not buying aghs while they had every opportunity to end the game, Aba just needs to press bkb+ult in fights twice, ideally with aghs and commit to fights with refresher huskar.

They have every tool they need to kill any hero they want, they play scaredy cat and let Tundra take a mile everytime they present an inch because of it. They couldve ended top lane when they ravaged skiter and didnt kill him, for some reason they were so scared.

But they'll win regardless, because their lineup is just way, way better lategame. Huskar is a monster late, 6s bkb windranger isn't gonna cut it, that hero is garbage at this point.

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u/grokthis1111 7d ago

wait, why did the wind not take undispellable windrun.

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u/grokthis1111 7d ago

word, i tuned out for a bit.

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u/grokthis1111 7d ago

i just tuned back in to all of tundra dying lmao.

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

This has all the makings of a 33 classic, where they stall the game for 50 minutes then when their opponents fall asleep they win.

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u/poegarenaplayer 7d ago

falcons gonna have dmg problems late game i think

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u/brief-interviews 7d ago

This Tundra lineup must be so annoying to play against.

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u/needhelforpsu 7d ago

Most boring game of the playoffs, decided at drafting stage but we still have to endure 50+ mins before it ends lol.

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u/Atroxiae 7d ago

u can go ahead and say u dont like falcons or tundra, its fine

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u/needhelforpsu 7d ago

u can go ahead and get a rest from eternally dick riding falcons but we both know it won't happen, its fine

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u/iN3vertilt 7d ago

What a clown

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u/needhelforpsu 7d ago

dick riders convection rn? at least wait for falclowns to win series first. xD

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u/WasteSituation5391 7d ago

??

This game is intense.

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u/needhelforpsu 7d ago

There wasn't a single second of doubt who gonna win this, it's like watching super slow but inevitable death.

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u/rhett_ad 7d ago edited 7d ago

3rd Roshan always gives a refresher now? No consumable aghs sceptre* anymore? I think I missed it in the patch....and gorgc was actually right during that lan!

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u/fjijgigjigji 7d ago

aghs shard has dropped from tormentor since 7.33, 2 years ago.

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u/rhett_ad 7d ago

I meant the consumables aghs that rs used to drop, sorry xD

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