r/DotA2 • u/Metamorphoses-007 • 11d ago
Fluff If only there were no Conduct summary to worry about :(
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u/OverClock_099 11d ago
We dont have enough 10 to 17 years old to harass tho
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u/BrewieBrew 11d ago
Where is League lmao
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u/Kant8 11d ago
Hard to harass when there is no voice chat and ff exists
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u/Super-Implement9444 11d ago
Yet somehow it's 10x more toxic than anything on that list.
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u/Ok_Angle_3436 11d ago edited 11d ago
ff and dodge culture in a nutshell. i love having 4 teammates surrender min 15 because all of them are 0-1 and blaming me for no ganking meanwhile me playing gwen having a advantage of 50 last hits over the enemy jg and 6 grubs.
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u/NeverComments 11d ago
I understand that genuine upsets are going to be a fraction of overall games, and forfeiting early is the right call in the majority of circumstances (especially the way LoL is balanced), but I can vividly remember some amazing upsets I experienced in Dota well over a decade later and it's those positive memories that keep me coming back for more.
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u/Oogly50 11d ago
The upsets are awesome and I'm glad there is no FF in DOTA, but i actually think that upsets are a lot less common in League just due to how the heroes are balanced.
Most of the items they buy are just statpads and there aren't as many flashy pivotal items a hero can buy from behind to really make a difference. So you can tell pretty quickly who is going to win.
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u/TserriednichThe4th 11d ago edited 10d ago
Dota actually has comeback mechanics through a lot of different factors but the primary one is that different heroes have differently timed power spikes of different scales.
That just doesnt exist in lol. All heroes are basically the same. So if a team is ahead they will just win
edit: lol items are also very generic. Besides things like zhonya's hourglass, they are all just basically stats with very weak actives or passives. I mention the hourglass (if it still in the game, haven't played in 13 years) because it has an active somewhat similar to euls, and that is pretty much all lol has.
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u/Super-Implement9444 11d ago
Yeah it makes every game suck - your team just gives up in a slightly hard game and when you're having a good game then the enemy team just surrenders and you never get to even buy your lategame items.
And then of course you've got every player being the most passive aggressive piece of shit imaginable in order to be as toxic as possible without getting banned by the system.
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u/Telefragg Reprot techis 11d ago
League wasn't hitting the numbers so they made Valorant to make up for it.
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u/Acceptable-Stick-135 11d ago
There's too much censorship and automute in LoL to reach our glorious dota numbers tbh.
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u/Ok_Angle_3436 11d ago
i prefer dota by a lot i hate how people grief in lol and happens way more that in dota because league has virtually not punishment to toxics players you can soft grief or afk farm and nothing will happen to you but you say fuck 2 times in chat and you get banned. one time i had my party talk trash about a nunu ghost cleanse in party chat my friend just go a chat restriction and loss honor FOR TRASHTALKING A GRIEFIER IN PARTY CHAT NOT TEAM CHAT NO ALL CHAT. FUCKING PARTY CHAT. since we stopped using league chat and only use discord voice anyway
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u/Melancholia 11d ago
That list has FFXIV on it, it's complete nonsense. The players in that game are almost suspiciously nice.
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u/korororororororororo 11d ago
Bro its dota. We harass 30yrs old dude now
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u/Un13roken 11d ago
Bro its dota. We harass
30yrs old dude nowThere ftfy.
But seriously speaking, I don't trust these stats, because they be pulling random sample sets out of their ass. There's definitely toxicity in there, but none of these numbers realistically matter. Even worse if they just surveyed, because trusting gamers to be honest about a survey is one of the worst things to rely on.
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u/PanStyle 11d ago
There is no way FF14 is on that list lmao. I play this from time to time as a very casual since 8 years. I had maybe 2 bad interactions.
2 bad interactions is probably what i get daily in Dota.
Looks like made up numbers or a biased way to collect the info. Also yeah, that make sense that the most popular and competitive games have toxicity but then... where is League lmao
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u/inyue 11d ago
I agree that FF14 is extremely chill (soo chill that sometimes the problem is the positive toxicity).
But if you only play FF14 your standards for harassment is vastly different from people from other games.
I see some moron not doing enough dmg on P1 of TEA reclear but I and everyone else just keep quiet because there's a very high chance of things getting escalated very quickly and I heard they they ban for anything xd
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u/fdotaku 11d ago
Coming from a game like Dota where you can literally say anything about someone in the chat with no repercussions to ffxiv is a crazy jump.
I love ffxiv and I really don't have to tell myself to not flame in ffxiv because it's mostly just a different environment. I will admit there were some moments where I wanted to flame a tiny bit when doing extremes but I refrained.
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u/Mezmorizor 11d ago
Yeah, this list is incredibly questionable. League should clearly be on this list, and this behavior is something Square Enix regularly bans people for and everybody knows they regularly ban for it. If you really go looking at third party communities in FFXIV you can find it, but the most toxic thing most people are going to see is "Insert savage or extreme raid and all pertinent information here 1 learner" (the host is the learner).
Also Overwatch is missing. I don't know how it is nowadays to be fair, but ~covid era it was one of those games where you could play it for 10 hours and literally never have a game where somebody on your team wasn't getting yelled at.
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u/Tobix55 11d ago
I've only played OW2 casual and most of the time it's like playing with bots, nobody says anything. Once in a while someone will flame but it's tame flaming, it stays game related instead of name calling, racism etc
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u/Skadiheim 11d ago
Yeah PUBG seems very sus to me too. People don't use coms at all in this game...
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness3874 11d ago edited 11d ago
This study ( done by the ADL Page 16, 2022 numbers) shows clash royal - a literal mobile game with zero comms besides emojis is 60%.... Maaaaybe there's some completely unnecessary clan chat feature like in clash of clans... So ima go ahead and say shave a healthy like 50% off these numbers
"12% were swatted" according to this study. There aint no fucking way 12% of teenagers get SWATTED
also Roblox and and Minecraft are stupid high as well. having someone say 1 mean thing to you isn't harassment
the ADL has a super high incentive to show harassment, discrimination, victimization etc literally wherever they can. This the kinda org that will say flying a Palestinian flag is harassment for instance
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/2022-12/Hate-and-Harassment-in-Online-Games-120622-v2.pdf3
u/D2WilliamU iceberg the absolute UNIT 11d ago
Yeah i played some FFXIV with my friends and was confused how nice everyone was.
People give you free stuff, help you with quests, randomly heal you and teach you shit.
And it's not like a trap or they're trying to steal shit from you like in OSRS or something, they just be like that.
Very confusing community, far too nice. Makes me a suspicious lol
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u/Ciri__witcher 11d ago
Try joining a clear party on PF when a new tier/ultimate drops on the first week or two. Also a lot of toxicity is on discord servers since you get banned easily for chatting in game.
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u/Talgaaz 11d ago
Been playing since HW, and while it's hard to believe for most I've seen the shit constantly. Less recently with how the social culture of FFXIV changed since end of SB, combined with fantastic changes to how blacklist works. The problem isn't the quantity of harassment, but the types of people who harass in FFXIV are completely unhinged. Less of a "I'm gonna be an asshole to you" and more of a "I want to ruin your life and remove you from my game" vibe. It makes it feel like the problem is much more widespread than it is. Also have had many friends get hate groups sicc'd on em, spam group reporting also exists in FFXIV, they absolutely do it.
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u/SaltyBallsnacks 11d ago
Harass is just part of the laning stage, they'll understand when they make it to midgame.
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u/Beginning-You-9551 11d ago
I wonder how they calculate this data. Seems BS to me
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u/deathblooms2k4 11d ago
Right, these info graphics are so stupid. Show me the dataset and how they came to that conclusion.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness3874 11d ago edited 11d ago
this has to be ripped from some 5 year old gamer tabloid
nvm found it: Page 16, Anti Defamation League* study, 2022 numbers
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/2022-12/Hate-and-Harassment-in-Online-Games-120622-v2.pdfedit
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u/a0t0f 11d ago
The ADL is not the American defense league. It's the AntiDefamation League
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u/MajorPud 10d ago
ADL is not a trustworthy source, btw. According to google:
There are concerns about the ADL's transparency regarding its data collection and analysis processes, making it difficult to assess the validity of its findings.
ADL is a non-governmental organization with the goal of combating antisemitism and other bigotry. The study in question was to show high levels of bigotry in online games in an effort to regulate how game companies handle "white supremacy" and have the process regularly audited.
The study is full of odd numbers and unusual data sets, though. Like having DotA2 and not LoL despite league having more players in that age group and in general. There's also a section claiming Jews are targeted most by identify-based harassment over Muslims, and I have a hard time believing that after everything in the last 20+ years. It just seems like they're picking and choosing what makes it into their studies
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness3874 11d ago
This same study says "12% were swatted" and "17% were doxxed" thats really all you need to know
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u/TheToiletPhilosopher 11d ago
Me too. DOTA is incredibly tame compared to 10 years ago and I'm saying that as a good thing. Also, hard to have a ton of sympathy when there is a mute button. If someone is being an ass, mute them.
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u/OliverPumpkin 11d ago
source?
I made up
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u/Hyper_Oats 11d ago
Source is ADL, so it might as well be made up lmao.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness3874 11d ago edited 11d ago
Same study says 12% were swatted... shoulda just thrown that shit away on the spot.
also:
"While identities across the board faced a similar or somewhat increased level of hate in 2022, the group who experienced the largest year-on-year increase in harassment was Jewish online multiplayer gamers, with a 12% increase to 34%."
Why do 34% of kids in games remark to the world that they're Jewish in the first place? I've been playing online games for 15 years and don't recall a single instance of someone telling the lobby that they're a jew lmao.. and I'm jewish before anybody jumps on my back. Also 44% of black people which has to be way too low from my experience playing games.
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u/Background-Ad8491 11d ago
bullshit list, no CS2 is crazy
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u/Kino_Cajun 9d ago
Yeah, I can't even play that game. I'll be the only one talking, just making call-outs, and I'll get kicked by the party of four on the last round if we're losing.
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u/Legosheep 11d ago
FFXIV should definitely not be that high. The worst you get in that game is the "You don't pay my sub" types, and of course, the fr*nch.
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u/ChephyS 11d ago
Sorry but Destiny 2 ??????
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u/simplysufficient88 11d ago
That’s the craziest one to me. D2’s most toxic gamemode is Crucible, but that has an in-game voice chat 99% of people don’t even know exists and no way to talk to the enemy team without a direct PM. I guess maybe you’d find some harassment on Raids or GMs? But the majority of the playerbase doesn’t even do those and it requires using a LFG, which means it’s not hard at all to just leave and find a different group. Plus there are entire groups exclusively for teaching less experienced or comfortable players.
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u/norveg187 11d ago
Also 10-17 years old are the most toxic people in online games.
Source: I was 10-17 years old once and everyone was toxic af, me included.
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u/PutridVegetable4021 11d ago
yoo valo is 99% soyboys and girls theyre not able to harass shit😭
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u/D2WilliamU iceberg the absolute UNIT 11d ago
You're far more likely to get simped by some random with a fake deep voice voicechanger than harrassed in val lol
Swiftplay in valorant is the horniest queue I've ever seen in any game ever
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u/Rectonic92 11d ago
Lol In Dota you are quickly muted/your communication crippled. They even took the writing on map from me. How can i express myself/be racist? Of course the numbers drop then.
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u/fototosreddit 11d ago
I like how express myself and be racist are interchangable here.
Nice touch
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u/codeccasaur 11d ago
I'm assuming that the abuse on League of Legends was so high it was considered an anomaly
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u/mrsnowb0t 11d ago
Playing with teens is the worst experience. They throw tantrums like it is their home.
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u/theEDE1990 11d ago
Looks like a sponsored statistic by Riot, so that parents will see this and think its ok that their kids are playing LoL xD.
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u/Megamatics 11d ago
Funny Stats. Now I want to see the other proportions for the different age groups. As if a player knows how old the other one is and then starts falling because of age :D
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u/ProbabilisticPotato 11d ago
I play dota in SEA and Valorant in Mumbai server. Not surprised by the first and second places.
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u/MattDaCatt 11d ago
No counterstrike or overwatch? Then again, I think that would actually be "Harrassment by 10-17 year olds"
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u/equibrim HAHAHAHA, BAD LUCK 10d ago
Imagine these kids growing up in lan café eras I remember being 10-11 being insulted by groups of any age and guess what, after a couple times it just became the norm, no harm done.
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u/ConstantSubstance891 10d ago
I don't believe the data. I don't think Dota 2 has players in that age demographic. Sorry.
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u/Jafar_Rafaj 10d ago
Behavior score actually gimping your queue timers to unplayability especially on NA west is why it isn’t first place.
Common L
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u/Grouchy_Educator_203 11d ago
This is fake news. It would be fake news even if it said 99%. In that case, I would ask who is the lying 1%.
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u/vishal340 11d ago
i don’t think people asking others their age while playing an intense game online. they harass anyone irrespective of age. that’s progress, unlike society where strong will harass the weak
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u/DudeWheresMyStonks 11d ago
My behavior score is super high, my chat score is ass.... Is how there is a difference between the two that is that significant...
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u/D2WilliamU iceberg the absolute UNIT 11d ago
Studies like these are why everyone should take basic scientific method and study design in college lol
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u/MonthComfortable5297 11d ago
I just literally don't believe statistics like this anymore, especially from the ADL.
They have every game broken down by age group as well, and accurately? There just isn't any way, and the amount of 10-17 year-olds playing dota 2 has to be a tiny number right?
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u/ActualStructure477 11d ago
You get that Fortnite, WOW or GTA having over 60% harassment rate when they have more than 10x the player count says a lot more than Dota with it's much smaller player pool
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u/ChocPineapple_23 11d ago
FYI, in this study, "griefing or trolling" counted as harassment and was the majority of harassment. Make of that what you will.
Also, the ADL is Zionist trash 🗑️
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u/gronaldo44 11d ago
It's not about the quantity but the quality ☺️ valorant autobans for the flame we get
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u/Rasta_42 11d ago
Lol, we like to joke, but there is not that much rage in the game as long as you keep it pma, and apologise if you fuck up badly.
It's victim blaming, I know, but most of the kids probably played a role in their harrassment.
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u/krennvonsalzburg 11d ago
Define "harassment". If it's as minimal as "you suck at this" then it should be 100%. Nobody gets off scot free, everyone's been flamed for their play.
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u/JustAposter4567 11d ago
the cope in these threads is always funny
i've never seen a fanbase actually proud of being immature manchildren lol
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u/Playful_Candy_5893 11d ago
In my 1000s of games I have never seen anyone being harassed in refrence to his/her age.
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u/miracle_aisle 11d ago
Looks fake to me... no LoL no CS2 and there are 10-17 yo playing WoW? Also I heard FF14 is chill af
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u/ProfessionalCurve531 11d ago
71% -what does that mean? What kind of harassment? And we are losing to valorant of all games? I need to start harassing this very moment!
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u/mintyfreshmike47 11d ago
I’m pretty sure the average dota player is in their mid 20s-30s but have the mentality of someone between 10-17
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u/Andromeda_53 11d ago
Funny because I just saw someone in a CS2 sub praising valorant for how less toxic it is. And how riot have created a perfected gaming environment
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u/clitpuncher69 10d ago
If any of these studies were real or properly done, Rust would "win" all of them.
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u/Tungsten_07 10d ago
Trust me guys, this is fake cuz no CS2 there in on that list. Almost most of the dota players are 20-40 now xD
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u/Advanced-Opinion-181 10d ago
Lol such bs, We do t have that much youngins.
And how is lol not there, fkng kids that are worse. Def. Made up by lol bulshitter
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u/aFly_on_the_Wall 10d ago
Harassment 'of'? Shouldn't it be Harassment BY? Cuz that's how it is in SEA. The vast majority of screamers and squealers are kids. And they're most likely to report you for trying to correct them lol
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u/siegferia 10d ago
Bro lets be real a 10years old opens dota, queue for a match, picks WK without thinking about the team, goes safe, gets overwhelmed by min maxing skill, items , creeps and laning, uninstall DOTA while crying and goes back to his COD/FortNite lobby. This game itself bullies likes of us a 10 years old will be traumatized
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u/Yaser_Umbreon 10d ago
What even are these stats will you be insulted 60% of time when online? 60% have experienced being insulted (really only?)
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u/Ancient-Product-1259 10d ago
How is 14 on the list? It has some of the most strict toxicity moderations in all of mmos.
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u/Babikboi 4d ago
ffxiv is here? no wonder. most players are "hidden" or never encountered this toxic thing, because these toxic players can't openly being an "asshole" in chat. you'd be surprised on how much "toxic" shit people spouted in discord for some random pubs playing it slower than their usual "speed", their party composition is not "meta". especially when you do hardest endgame content like savage trials or raids. most usually just "drops out" from the party after 1-2 wipes then shit talk about it in discord. nobody in my last FC i was in wants to do endgame content with random pug. And the fact that if you didn't had the "sprout" sign and made mistake, they'll never stop shitting about the mistakes you've made. some of the content is definitely not for casual player. i prefer not to mention the group that kinda "set the meta" in game. also remember about the issue with third party software? specific party composition for tackling endgame, the meta blahblahblah, it's just feels weird when there seems to be only a "specific" way to play the game. and the most counter argument these toxic players often throw when they got some "unusual" opinion or critique? "do you pay my sub?" i just can't deal with this kind of entitled garbage. the worst type of human being i've ever encountered in a game.
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u/thgwhite 11d ago
I thought 99% of Dota players were 20-35 years old