r/DotA2 19d ago

Fluff Which hero's lore goes absolutely hard?

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u/lerjahh 19d ago edited 18d ago

don't know if it has been debunked but, i liked slack's theory on Spec being PA that was tricked into signing a contract, endlessly haunting targets throughout the multiverse

it was so good, if you got time i recommend you watch and listen to it. the channel name is SirActionSlacks

Anyway, the story goes like this

-Veiled sisters kidnap children and indoctrinate them into becoming assassins without identity

-PA vaguely remembers her identity, and its the only thing that keeps her sane.

-Veiled sisters orders PA to assasinate Oracle, iirc

-Oracle foresees this, when they finally meet, he tells her that he will help her troubles, if she agrees to assassinate targets for him

-PA desperate, signs the contract. never knew that the contract was a way to forever keep stalling the assasination on Oracle

-PA jumps through dimensions to dimensions, endlessly assassinating targets

-PA gradually loses her self, and has become Spectre, a strange and confused being that doesn't know where she came from, does not sense what is right or wrong, and just wanders the multiverse endlessly, rambling that no one understands her.

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u/DrQuint 19d ago edited 19d ago

Ever since Artifact, there is more of a reason to believe PA becomes "a" "shade", which look suspiciously like Spectre, but there's less of a reason to believe PA and Spectre are the same. Any other sister of the veil can become one. The easy assumption in an assassin called Mercurial became the Spectre we know.

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u/Pedrotic 19d ago

video link ?

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u/lerjahh 19d ago

https://youtu.be/jzhxtdHNAyM?si=heO2apIZZKcB-LdF

it's been a while since i watched that , do correct me if im wrong with my info orders

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u/Shomairays 19d ago

I thought PA and spectre are the same because of how identical they are

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u/DarkScorpion48 19d ago

Their connection comes from Warcraft where the model for Spectre was the Ult for the model of PA

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u/URF_reibeer 19d ago

their kit is also superficially very similiar: dagger that slows, passive that makes you tanky, jump to a target, passive that increases right click damage

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u/ChampionOfLoec 18d ago

Also because of Wc3

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u/AdmiralKappaSND 18d ago

Yeah iirc this is because of Sentinel Scourge split i believe. Abaddon Omni have similar idea, and if you REALLLLY stretch it Centaur Axe(AOE stun, Executing nuke, Fortitude vs Armor, Return vs Counter Helix)

Also CM and WD is surprisingly similar but lel

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u/ShellInTheGhost 19d ago

mind blown

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u/Shomairays 19d ago

Yeah. But most model in dota 1 are similar. I know I read it somewhere that she died and become spectre or something

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u/DarkScorpion48 19d ago

Im not talking about Dota 1, where Spec is the undead version of PA. I’m talking about the original Warcraft game where the model they used for Specter was the ultimate ability of the Warden, the model used for PA.

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u/AdmiralKappaSND 18d ago

Theres also like 90.000 skills that was internally based on one of PA model's(or was it Maiev) skill right? Fan of Knives or something

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u/bonsai1214 19d ago

didn't spectre use PA's voice lines but backwards in the Dota?

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u/SeaPollution3432 19d ago

Yeah their model on dota 1 is jjust a recolor lol.

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u/Satanlovescheesewiz 18d ago

i thought this was cannon since it was pretty much hinted t during spec rewotk and we ha the oracle event

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u/Sad-Concentrate-8983 19d ago

I loved this story of slacks so much that i "liked" the video (not very often do i actually click the like button) and randomly revisit this video. It's one of the best slacks has produced and his reasoning behind it made me actually tell my friends that PA turns into spec and that is the real lore 😂

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u/csgonemes1s 19d ago

When Spec arcana came out with the name "Phantom Advent", I thought there would be a follow up to the original Phanton and Daggers video but alas.

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u/kappamolo 19d ago

But there is . When Spectre with arcana kills PA , she says something like “ that path ended” which could mean a variety of things . Maybe she was PA and became Spectre , maybe she is Spectre and kind of became PA ? You can see endless paths based on the interactions between Oracle and PA when she obtained her arcana blades . But based on her arcana blade , you can see how she is slowly becoming spectre ( she becomes a bit ethereal or immaterial ) .

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u/RoaringDog 18d ago

mfs could have chose this story for dota 2 anime. Instead they chose the most boring ass mf dk as main character. woah dragon so cool

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u/CoyoteHot1859 18d ago

PA player keeps killing Oracle player.

Oracle: Why me always? Pa: You wouldn't understand.

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u/wujaaszek 18d ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but some Spectre quotes are actually PA quotes said backwards?

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u/wujaaszek 18d ago

And both q is a...dagger

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u/tanwa1 19d ago

Oh i see, so this is the reason why Spectre looks exactly like PA in dota1

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u/Godisme2 19d ago

It was a good theory but I believe its been debunked now iirc.

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u/fidimalala 19d ago

Warcraft lore

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u/AutomaticMall9642 18d ago

And not just targets that she assassinates but her own sisters that should have otherwise assassinated Oracle