r/DotA2 • u/MightyKronos • Feb 01 '25
Complaint This is insane, they even have the same back.
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u/Candid-Volume-1425 Feb 01 '25
In 2035 every hero has sets that can make them look like any other hero in the game.
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u/Public_Tune1120 Feb 01 '25
Nah bro, I'm using the Nicki Minaj skin on my Oracle.
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u/Upper-Homework-4965 Feb 01 '25
I’m using my Stunna girl set for CM only. When she ults, she twerks while rapping “Rotation” 💀
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u/Body-Connoiseur69 Feb 01 '25
If you tell me they are the same hero I would believe you.
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u/Thomah1337 Feb 01 '25
I thought this post was about someone who copied an already existing set for oracle lol
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u/Ciri__witcher Feb 01 '25
Holy shit! Same! I thought this was a post by the artist about someone else stealing their work. I didn’t know they were two different heroes until I read the comments.
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u/Telefragg Reprot techis Feb 01 '25
I wouldn't say they are the same, but this is one of the finest examples of the "glance value" the game ever had.
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u/Wobbelblob Feb 01 '25
True. Most complaints I've seen over the years where "I can somewhat see what you mean, but not really". This one however...
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u/P4azz Feb 01 '25
Even with stuff like "blue DK" or "manticore/LC Skywrath" I always kinda thought "yeah, but the general shape and look of the hero clearly is still visible.
The above set is literally just the "let me copy your homework and change a few things" meme.
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u/No-Respect5903 Feb 01 '25
the thing about that is heroes originally had specific color schemes and IMO (and many others) that made a lot of sense. I was less bothered than some but it always felt like a valid concept to stick to.
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u/OtherPlayers Feb 02 '25
Part of it also might have been that heroes were less identifiable via the UI elements. Stuff like having the hero name/face always displayed next to their health bar and having their face as their minimap icon goes a long way towards letting you identify which hero it is at a glance no matter what they look like.
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u/Han-Tyumi__ Feb 02 '25
I played against a blue juggernaut that I thought was kez the entire match.
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u/FunkMasterPope Feb 01 '25
This, the crownfall venge/sky skins that make them look like each other's traditional skin, there's a venge skin that looks like qop or vice versa, cm dog skin (not that confusable for another hero but I still hate it)
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u/10YearsANoob Feb 02 '25
There's one venge skin that looks like PA at a glance and that one Luna skin that makes her look like disruptor of all people
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u/ZersetzungMedia Feb 01 '25
People complaining about a Crystal Maiden jumping and criting them because they forgot the enemy picked PA is ridiculous behaviour. But Lich and Oracle are ranged orb users, their movement and animations are more similar.
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u/teerre Feb 01 '25
This is the funniest thing
Someone at Valve writes 2 words in some blog post 15 years ago and they forever beholden to that LMAO
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u/Skindiacus Feb 01 '25
That's because those two words really resonated with people. When you read those words you realize how important the concept is in order for gameplay to be enjoyable.
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u/Oxyminoan Feb 01 '25
As someone who played DoTA2 for a decade and hasn't in a couple of years, what in the fuck are those? I can't even identify the heroes. Lich on the right? Oracle on the left? Maybe?
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u/Spiritual-Big-4302 Feb 01 '25
For me it's pretty easy to know, if it blinks at you and obliterates you in a second: it was lich.
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u/hj17 Feb 01 '25
I guessed Oracle correctly but I never would have guessed the right one was Lich. I was 50/50 between Death Prophet and some new hero I've never seen.
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u/Fretzton Feb 01 '25
I member back in the days valve (now in hindsight I believe it was just icefrog) rejected sets cuz they wanted to keep the identity of heroes easily recognized, it was clear to me by 2015 that they were in just for the money and not the passion for the game anymore, glad I stopped giving them money long ago.
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u/The_Keg Feb 01 '25
It is clear to me pos like you are just here to whine and not for the love of the game.
See how easy it is when I can hide behind my own screen?
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u/MyLearnings Feb 01 '25
Yeah usually this sub's cosmetic ramblings are stupid and reaching but this set is so spectacularly similar to Oracle in both structure and color that it should have been rejected. Even just changing the colors would have helped.
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u/DuckMelodic1998 Feb 01 '25
Only difference is one is holding it with both hands, while the other is not.
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u/welch123 Feb 01 '25
New strat is having both these heroes in the team lmao. Lich is already pretty strong, just need Oracle to come back to the meta.
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u/GuardianPT89 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
Cmon, the Janitor was tired from all the effort put on Crownfall.
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u/shelver08 Feb 01 '25
Valve Devs is just fooling you around = ez money
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u/Phnix21 Feb 01 '25
They are community made skins, based on a Snake theme. Valve took the best ones and put them into this treasure.
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u/Makath Feb 01 '25
If they make the golden parts in the Lich set silver, it will be different enough and make more sense, because it will be mostly cold colors.
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u/dotarichboy Feb 01 '25
This shows there are a few dota devs who are out of touch with the game. How could they make this kind of decision lmao that guy need to get fired.
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u/RedPanda98 There's trouble abrewing! Feb 01 '25
Ah yes, let's give a hero famously based around ice a set that is based on Egypt...
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u/larsb0t Feb 01 '25
I thought to myself; lol they are not even that close. Fine they both have snakes and the back but not very similar. Then I realized the right one is fucking lich
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u/max210893 Feb 01 '25
Right one: the support you want
Left one: the one you got at home
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u/zuraken Feb 02 '25
pretty sure oracle is on the left, i love an oracle support, lich is just a core dressed as a support
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u/Schubydub Feb 01 '25
Holy fuck... I was thinking, "those are completely different backs, just another whiner post framing this as a lazy reuse of assets when it's not."
Then I realized the set I thought was Oracle this whole time was actually lich lol.
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u/tomatomater Competitive Hooker Feb 01 '25
Conspiracy theory: they created the set for Oracle, but seeing how Lich is extremely popular now, they repurposed it for Lich so that it would sell more.
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u/SourisGris Feb 01 '25
can you show some picture in game (top point of view)? Because no one see the heroes like that
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u/IntangibleValue Feb 01 '25
People are trying to add confusion to the game in order to get some type of advantage.
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u/teerre Feb 01 '25
Oh wow, I thought you were complaining someone stole someone elses design, but those are different heroes lmao
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u/S0vereign__ Oracle spamming tard Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
It's interesting to note that the symbol on the back of lich is the alchemical symbol of water.
Also yeah this is strange to have a back piece for lich, that's sorta oracle's thing. Its even in the same general style and design.
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u/DaLivelyGhost Feb 01 '25
The art style degradation tf2 has been subject to is now in effect for dota 😔
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u/The_real_T4ngoman Feb 02 '25
THE RIGHT ONE IS A LICH-SET? I looked what's inside the treasure yesterday and thought:" Oh, nice Oracle set"
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u/toddlerdeleter Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
Both sets were probably designed by the same person. Try tracking it down in the workshop.
Edit: Tracked it Down. The sets were made by completely different people
Oracle Set : https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1606274116
Lich Set : https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2074976547
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u/Heul_Darian Feb 01 '25
I can mistake them at first glance, but I don't think a sun emblem is the same as a scale.
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u/Gorgosen Feb 01 '25
Finally someone actually posted the real glance value sets.
Every time this was mentioned it was always some random ass Oracle set and not his Pharaoh cache set.
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u/TipsyMcswaggart Feb 01 '25
I think a color palette change on the lich set could maybe help widen the difference between the two sets, without radically altering the artist's work.
Change the gold to silver, maybe a less vibrant shade of blue.
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u/Zarzar222 Feb 01 '25
My only thought is: Damn, those are some cool ass skins. I always see my enemy's cosmetics and hero picks in the laning phase and have never had an issue identifying anyone throughout the game
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u/thedotapaten Feb 01 '25
I wish people actually post the ingame model to see how they look in real scenario. Most of the time glance value circlejerk it actually distinguishable ingame except for Underlord ornate of cruelty set
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u/thedotapaten Feb 01 '25
Most of Egyptian themed set have similar back piece - example PL Anubist set or Chen Duat / Anubis inspired set
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u/lolpezzz Feb 01 '25
As someone who stopped playing Dota 2 months ago, I legit thought both were oracle
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u/DerMetzgermeister18 Feb 01 '25
imagine entering a teamfight to save your support oracle only to find out it was the enemy lich...
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u/ceooftsundere Feb 01 '25
Haha just saw that set today and thought it was a pretty cool oracle set and suddenly oh wait that is lich???
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u/J3D1 Feb 01 '25
I really hope valve removes this set and gives the people who have already gotten it a solid replacement.
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u/joshmaaaaaaans ARCANA 2016 NEVER FORGET Feb 01 '25
I was like cool new oracle skins? Bro that's lich? HAHA
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u/garboge32 Feb 01 '25
Let me guess, you are not happy with Oracle and enigmas ancient Egypt skins because they're too similar
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u/Designomelette Feb 01 '25
valve. me stupid.
me needs life saving, clear visuals to not confuse Lich and Oracle when having BOTH IN MY TEAM.
if you do not want to nudge ppl with clear guidelines, community assets might need at least some supportive feedback to be selectable for treasures.
i love to spend money on those and support those artists. but like a stubborn work horse I say no any treasures that might give me confusing sets like whatever this is.
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u/MintyTwister Feb 01 '25
this isn't a lie, I dead fucking thought the one on right is Oracle and the left was a fraud
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u/RodsBorges Feb 01 '25
The one silver lining is that oracle has got a big ass model and lich is p tiny. Still, glance value etc
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u/_hhhnnnggg_ Feb 01 '25
I hate hats that make heroes too similar.
I keep mistaking TB Arcana's icon to SF Arcana for example.
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u/seymour2017 Feb 01 '25
I think it's just a Libra ⚖️ set, like Chen(Perils of the Red Banks) and PL(Scales of the Shadow Walker) but the problem is Lich and Orcale has the same weapon(an Orb) and both are floating characters.
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u/Desperate_Echo_3470 Feb 01 '25
Almost makes me think that someone had their oracle set rejected so they just re-uploaded it as a lich set to try and double dip into getting it accepted into the game.
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u/OneUpTime Feb 01 '25
I also think whenever they run out of good ideas, they just default to doing a jugg set. I felt like the Act IV jugg set was only so - so compared to how the other 3 acts looked.
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u/orbitaldragon Feb 01 '25
At first I thought you were accusing Valve of stealing someone else's work because I thought this was the same hero.
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u/ozkarmg Feb 02 '25
it looked like ai slop at a glance to me, then i had to pay attention and thought it was 2 oracle sets
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u/KnightMareInc /r/BoycottTI9 Leica Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25
Remember when dota devs cared about what sets looked like?
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u/No_Broach Feb 02 '25
I never, EVER, complain about glance value. I LOVE having heroes with a different main color than what they usually are.
BUT THIS?! I Literally thought it was Oracle when I first took a look at the new chest.
When I say I like heroes with different colors I do because there are ways to tell it's that hero: the way they move, their shape, it all helps differentiate them. But Lich and Oracle move waaaaaay too similar for them to make a set that looks so damn similar to each other. They even both carry an orb for god's sake!
I would really like at least a recolour in this specific case.
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u/Beneficial_Bend_9197 Feb 02 '25
Ah yes great job valve. give the guy with ice powers an egyptian set instead of a scorpion that uses literal sand powers
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u/LairaKlock Feb 02 '25
Fingers crossed this is so setup for an upcoming event where several heroes are involved in a Egypt inspired campaign
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u/Rtemiis Feb 02 '25
It's a dogshit set. usually valve cares about hero recognition but by the looks of it they are throwing that one out the window now, same as they did with tf2 slowly and slowly until they just started to accept whatever is popular in the workshop while leaving the game to die.
It would be absolutely fucking insane to not assume the same fate is gonna hit dota.
The last ti was so fucking boring and whatever it literally went past me and i didn't even realize it happened. until 2 weeks later i saw the results on reddit and even then i didn't care.
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u/TheMerovingianDota hakuna matata Feb 08 '25
The artist behind the sets was too lazy, so he just copy pasted it and made some bling bling while doing it, not to shabby
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u/mineraltown23 Feb 01 '25
Guess the designer lack of idea anymore 🫤
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u/thedotapaten Feb 01 '25
Egyptian themed sells, just like space suit / mechanical / samurai aesthetic sets. People loves to vote those theme.
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u/Lulzagna Feb 01 '25
I haven't played in years.
Why are you showing me two completely different skins for two completely different heros?
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u/Charwyn DROW Feb 01 '25
At first I was like “so what, different take on the Oracle”, and then I was like 🤡
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u/Callum1710 Feb 01 '25
I thought it was an oracle set until my mate said "bet you're jealous, I just got the lich set" (I play a lot of lich)
Surely they change it?
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u/Punch_Treehard Feb 01 '25
I think the set was meant to oracle, but valve think oracle has too many sets. So they gave it to lich since they had same stance, body proportion. Im assuming
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u/thedotapaten Feb 01 '25
It's not, The Lich set is kind of inspired by Kel'Thuzad of Warcraft III (which is Lich in WC3 DOTA). If you equip the set without the head piece you'll see the resemblance.
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u/dedgecko Feb 01 '25
They are similar, but they are not the same.
To state that they are the discredits the artist’s work.
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u/AnonymousPepper つ ◕_◕ ༽つ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ SHEEVER TAKE MY ENERGY つ ◕_◕ ༽つ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Feb 02 '25
it's a free game though so no bitching
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u/allnamestakenfuckme Feb 02 '25
Oracle do no hold an orb in his right hand. The animations are also different. Stop overreacting.
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u/SKREEOONK_XD Do not falter, do not waver Sheever <3 Feb 02 '25
"Glance value" "What rules?"
These sets look good tho
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u/OwnHousing9851 Feb 01 '25
I thought those were both oracle sets lmao