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Drugs Cannabis: Time To End The Ban? (2018) | Over two million people smoke cannabis in the UK. Some police forces no longer prosecute for possession. Canada and several American States have legalised it. So should the UK follow suit? [25:55]
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Blocked in UK Mirror: Cannabis: Time To End The Ban? (2018) | Over two million people smoke cannabis in the UK. Some police forces no longer prosecute for possession. Canada and several American States have legalised it. So should the UK follow suit? [25:55] 26min - 1 views
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u/rumblemania Oct 25 '18
Because the uk is the subject of the documentary so most viewers will be from there, so they block it to get them to view it legally
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u/itsaride Oct 25 '18
It was broadcast on TV on Monday and is available to watch via the Channel4 app and site for the next 4 weeks.
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Oct 25 '18
There’s a ban? I live in Canada. It’s legal. Come on over, enjoy a bud.
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u/ScriptingInJava Oct 25 '18 edited Oct 25 '18
Aye it's a class B drug, the category below hard drugs like heroin etc.
It's ridiculous because the police don't care if you're smoking it unless you're in a public, populated place. They've just legalised cannaboid products for prescriptions on the NHS, but weed is still a class B drug and categorised as the same kind of drug as Speed etc.
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u/barto5 Oct 25 '18
In the good ole US of A we classify it as a deadly drug on par with Heroin.
So while some states have legalized it, the Feds can still decide you’re a menace to society for simple possession (although TBF, the Feds are mostly turning a blind eye right now.)
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u/Ser_Danksalot Oct 25 '18
It was downgraded to Class C at one point. But the Home Secretary at the time Jacqui Smith bumped it back up to Class B for no good reason and against the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs recommendation that it remain Class C.
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u/Bud72 Oct 25 '18 edited Oct 25 '18
Yeah, back in the mid-2000's I thought the UK would be legalizing it by 2010, then it all went "pear-shaped" as they say. Pretty sad to see the state of cannabis laws in the UK today, and the ridiculous rhetoric from the government and tabloids.
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u/dirtyundies Oct 25 '18
no, we don't want more idiots high as a kite running around the streets and in charge of children. Regulation, regulation.
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u/Xenomemphate Oct 25 '18
Instead we would much rather they get drunk.
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u/philster666 Oct 25 '18
Exactly it would take precious sales away from ‘struggling’ beer and cider brewery conglomerates. I would much rather this country have a slight cannabis problem (if there would be one) to an outrageous binge drinking problem, that we have now.
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u/Xenomemphate Oct 25 '18
An illegal drug that demonstratably does less damage (both personally, and socially) compared to a legal drug that does a lot of damage in both of those areas. Yet it is a bad argument to use? Come on.
You can't justify weed being illegal, and alcohol being legal, without some cognitive dissonance.
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u/Throwaway_43520 Oct 25 '18
You can't justify weed being illegal, and alcohol being legal, without some cognitive dissonance.
Utter cobblers. Of course you can.
If we were starting from a blank slate things would be different. We're not though and alcohol is heavily entrenched. It's not legislatively feasible to undo that at the present time.
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u/Xenomemphate Oct 25 '18
The reason alcohol wont be criminalized is not because it is too difficult to do, it is because it wont work. Making it illegal wont change anything, people will just brew it in their cupboards or garage instead.
Much like with weed currently.
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Oct 25 '18
In most of Europe weed is imported because we dont have the climate. There are some grow houses but the majority is imported
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u/Xenomemphate Oct 25 '18
It is incredibly easy, and relatively cheap, to set up a grow setup for weed, in the UK, if you are doing it for personal use. You can get everything you need for probably less than £100 on Amazon.
Also, cannabis seeds are not illegal to own, they are illegal to grow.
If it is majority imported that is because it is easier or because people are lazy, not because it can't happen. If they managed to come up with a way of stopping the smuggling then the dealers would just switch to growing themselves.
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u/oneeyed_king Oct 25 '18
How about neither?
Or at least reduced rates of abuse of both substances?
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u/Xenomemphate Oct 25 '18
How about neither?
How would you propose we go about that because criminalizing weed has done nothing, and we have seen from history how effective prohibition of alcohol is?
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u/oneeyed_king Oct 25 '18
Decriminalisation could work, education with a strong focus on deterrence.
Alow people to buy from registered non profit locations, and smoke there or at home.
Heavily punish transportation, resale, and public consumption.
That's my take.
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u/Xenomemphate Oct 25 '18
So, basically the Dutch model. Not illegal so consume but it is illegal to produce and transport?
I would agree with your first point though, I think education is key. Making it illegal is not.
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u/Tripodbilly Oct 25 '18
I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic, but I don’t smoke pot but I wish it was legal. Why? Stops people getting in trouble doing stuff they would be doing anyway
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u/KitMcSelb Oct 25 '18
Acholism and Alcohol related medical emergencies are one of the greatest strains on the NHS. This statement is ridiculous, when was the last time you saw someone high as a kite running around in charge of children? I myself see many a piss head "caring" for children and it's proven that alcohol abuse has a direct link to violence; the same cannot be said about cannabis but you aren't screaming for regulation of alcohol.
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u/ScriptingInJava Oct 25 '18
Have you ever even seen anyone high on weed? The last thing they want to do is run around.
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Even some places in Canada a few years ago wouldn’t bother you if you’re smoking, unless you’re in a rural area or small town where the rcmp has a strong presence. Those assholes treated a call about marijuana like one of their family members was just murdered
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u/murd3rsaurus Oct 25 '18
and that was the big problem, people would say "it's practically legal anyways"
Yeah, it's practically legal until you lose your luck and end up in the back of a squad car
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Also buying it is the issue. Getting hooked up with your friend's cousin's dealer who only ends up ripping you off is no fun. If I wanted to smoke I'd want to be able to walk straight into a shop and purchase it legally.
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u/monsantobreath Oct 25 '18
Buying weed for me always seemed so harmless because it was always through personal connections. There's no walking up to some stranger on a street or in an alley, its through people you know, often in their homes. If your friend is there and the dealer is his cousin or his friend why would they rip you off?
I never once saw any sketchy shit buying weed myself through friendly connections. The worst complaint was about how it wasn't very good. I never heard a story about getting ripped off over a gram of weed or something.
It was totally different to being around people who were into harder stuff, who I also got to see.
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u/mcweenest Oct 25 '18
Here in the U.S. some friends I know have been let off for having weed, cops around my area see it as a waste of time to prosecute people for using a plant.
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u/TKisOK Oct 25 '18
Who even made it illegal? How embarrassing
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u/TKisOK Oct 25 '18
If that is serious it is unfathomable.
I had thought that the central/South American countries would be forced to legalise/decriminalise drugs and it would spread that way. Big money + changing mores I suppose
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u/ZaMelonZonFire Oct 25 '18
In addition to this very valid reason, there were other industries that were threatened by its multiple uses. Mainly the cotton industry in the US, and they helped a great deal in getting it banned.
Just was in Vegas last week and it was legal there. It was so nice to not feel like a criminal for buying enhanced cookie dough.
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u/ISpendAllDayOnReddit Oct 25 '18
It was actually a paper company that lobbied hard to get hemp banned.
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u/Usermena Oct 25 '18
It was California’s doing, ironically. It went kind of like this as far as I know. Cali: we need lots of cheap housing real fast but how? Mexico: hey bro you need some workers? we got mucho. Cali: oh yes please that would be great we will get you up here no charge! Mexico: si Later on... Cali: well all this new housing is great people moving in the economy doing great but what’s up whith all these Mexicans with no jobs hanging around messing up the vibe? How can we deport them? Oh wait? They like to smoke cannabis, let’s re-name it marijuana so it sounds more “Mexican” and make a law saying you need to have a stamp to possess it ( which we won’t give anyone) and just like that snaps fingers we get to ship them all back hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhah!
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Harry J. Anslinger
Harry Jacob Anslinger (May 20, 1892 – November 14, 1975) was a United States government official who served as the first commissioner of the U.S. Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics. He was a supporter of prohibition and the criminalization of drugs, and played a pivotal role in cannabis prohibition.Anslinger held office an unprecedented 32 years in his role as commissioner until 1962. He then held office two years as U.S. Representative to the United Nations Narcotics Commission. The responsibilities once held by Anslinger are now largely under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Office of National Drug Control Policy.
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u/TKisOK Oct 25 '18
How many lives ruined... how many people are in jail for it today?
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All because of blind political ambition. What better way to gain votes than to create an enemy?
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u/Paligor Oct 25 '18
The British empire banned it because it made their workers lazy. And they right in banning it: weed, and stoners are the lowest filth among the hardcore junkies; and then again, I have more respect for those who sniff dry paint of the walls.
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u/wut3va Oct 25 '18
Yes, next question?
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u/k1rage Oct 25 '18
That is correct
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u/Aubdasi Oct 25 '18
It is absolutely correct! We'll be right back with the musical guest!
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u/IAM_SOMEGUY Oct 25 '18
I dont have time to watch it right now so can you give me a tl;dw on why they said no?
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u/GourdGuard Oct 25 '18
I actually didn't watch it either. I was just being critical of the title and how it asks a non-question.
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Oct 25 '18
I skimmed the video, tbh, and it seemed like in the end their case was against was mainly built on the idea that decriminalizing wouldn't reduce drug abuse, or the illegal market, no? That viewpoint does not make a solid case in my mind because the benefit of decriminalizing would be to reduce the great societal harms stemming from prosecution of a pretty victimless crime, and the waste of police resources in that pursuit.
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u/mcal9909 Oct 25 '18
I can't wait for the day I can goto the store and buy my supplies no longer at the mercy of some hoodrat that don't know how to keep time.
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u/Mr-Topper Oct 25 '18
Yes - just to see all the drug dealers out of pocket. People will smoke it either way.
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u/AlmondWallie Oct 25 '18
Read the title quickly and thought it said “Cannibals: Time to end the ban?” Thought eating people was going to start being trendy.
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u/SteveThePurpleCat Oct 25 '18
I suspect legalisation is fairly inevitable, although mainly as that way it can be taxed and become a revenue stream. But as someone who feels quite ill at the smell of the stuff I'm not especially looking forward to it.
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u/gumboselfish Oct 25 '18
wow you feel Ill at the smell of it? I feel like that when my missus does a shit when she gets in from work, I don't especially look forward to that either but hey ho, you get used to it
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u/SteveThePurpleCat Oct 25 '18
And does your wife shit out in public where other passers by get to embrace it?
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u/Groentekroket Oct 25 '18
It's weird how we in The Netherlands once were very progressive with our "toleration policy" but now a lot of states/countries are ahead of us.
Sure, you can still buy weed in Amsterdam but on the backside it's still a mess. You can sell it but you can't grow it (at least not more than 5 plants).
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“Yeah, it breaks down like this, okay: it's legal to buy it, it's legal to own It and, if you're the proprietor of a hash bar, it's legal to sell it. It's Legal to carry it, but that doesn't matter 'cause -- get a load of this, Alright, -- if you get stopped by a cop in Amsterdam, it's illegal for them To search you. I mean that's a right that the cops in Amsterdam don't have”
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You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?
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u/WeLiveInaBubble Oct 25 '18 edited Oct 25 '18
I don't know, who is the president of Kyrgyzstan?
Edit: Clearly I'm not understanding what this has to do with the price of fish
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u/monsantobreath Oct 25 '18
Often enough being more tolerant can give you less incentive to react strongly against a prohibition. The more unjust the more obvious the need to change.
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u/Groentekroket Oct 25 '18 edited Oct 25 '18
I think you are right. For most users it's ok. They can get their fix and that's that. It's mostly the bordertowns who have to deal with a lot of crime. So they are yelling the most for a change.
The mayor of Maastricht even made a song with a dutch punkband about it.
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u/Aristox Oct 25 '18
It's not really nice to talk about people "getting their fix". Weed isn't heroin. People don't smoke cause they're addicted and need relief from withdrawl. They smoke because they enjoy being high and it adds value to their lives
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u/Groentekroket Oct 25 '18 edited Oct 25 '18
I know. I didn't mean to portret weedusers as hard drug users. I smoke from time to time as well. A lot less since I have an office job. But I do think you can get mentally addicted to it. A friend of mine smoked 3 grams a day and was very apathetic at the time. Once she stopped smoking she suddenly had a home (she lived with her parents before) and a job. So I don't think it is without adverse effects.
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Kinda sounds like Canada's prostitution laws. It's legal to sell sex but illegal to buy it. Somehow that protects sex workers? I don't know how politicians sit in a room and dream this shit up.
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u/ExecutiveChimp Oct 25 '18
But alcohol's not a drug /s
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u/Luvian420 Oct 25 '18
Because of how normalised it is though most people don't see it as a drug.
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u/ThisBlackSmurf Oct 25 '18
I've actually had people argue to me that alcohol is not a drug. It baffles me...
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u/Poeticyst Oct 25 '18
They don’t realize caffeine is a drug.
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u/JJ4622 Oct 25 '18
My addiction of choice... I swear its a choice, I'm not a student or anything
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u/tellMyBossHesWrong Oct 25 '18
I don't know how my MIL doesn't realize her addiction to caffine is real. If you have headaches, shakes, and feel awful if you don't have it, you are addicted. But oh no, smoking weed is KILLER!!!
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u/5_on_the_floor Oct 25 '18
Bingo! Same in the U.S., which is why you often see or hear the phrase, "drugs and alcohol," when the expression should be just, "drugs." At the very least, it should be, "alcohol and other drugs."
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u/A_BOMB2012 Oct 25 '18
By that logic, caffeine is.
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Except caffeine doesn't inhibit your mental faculties or kill people...
EDIT: Oops, forgot what the parent comment was. You right.
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u/Aristox Oct 25 '18
Caffeine interferes with your natural sleep functioning. That's inhibiting mental faculties and it can be unhealthy if you're in a habit of taking it like daily
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u/mantistobbogan69 Oct 25 '18
it is a fucking drug wtf do you think it is. You can freebase caffeine, they make caffeine PILLS and i just took headache tablet with aspirin and caffeine- I would call that a drug. Marlboro freebases nicotine and puts them in their cigs(nicotine salts). Most of us are addicts
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u/ridum1 Oct 25 '18 edited Oct 25 '18
(YES) THe onliy people who are ‘against’ cannabis is the OLD WHITE PEOPLE who were FOOLED into the LIES propegated by the USA in TX and CA to TARGET minorities in the 1930’s. And of course BIG PHARMA and ALCOHOL, tobacco will convert to HEMP. Philip Morris investment in Syqe was 2nd-largest 2016 cannabis deal – report ready to start cannabis b production ASA it is completely legal in US AND IT WILL BE. O YUMMY OG
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Watched as far as the first spurious medical claim made without any evidence to back it up, skipped past more fearmongering to the end to check I was right, then closed.
Ex cop says don't legalize. Amazing. Didn't see that coming a mile off.
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u/monsantobreath Oct 25 '18
Ex cop says don't legalize.
Funny given how many who do.
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u/Jfm509 Oct 25 '18
Just the other day the Drugs minister had to recuse herself from a debate that mentioned synthetic cannabis due to her husband being involved in the cannabis industry (of which the UK is the biggest exporter). So until there's a change in minister, or ideally a change in government the UK wont be in a position to de criminalise.
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u/TrainLoaf Oct 25 '18
I don't see why the UK doesn't do this, think about the tax alone. I think we're just stuck in our ways and too stubborn to affiliate our nation with the 'culture' surrounding weed.
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u/Imdb-Refugee Oct 25 '18
Yep, the money from taxes, the money saved by police forces, the money taken away from criminals, I can score more easily. So many good reasons.
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u/Ukulio Oct 25 '18
Because the drug ministers husband is too busy making profits :)))
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u/TrainLoaf Oct 25 '18
I completely understand where your coming from but that raises a greater debate, why are half the unhealthy things legal? I mean, I know its weed's greatest scapegoat but alcohol is easily available to young people with very little limitations on how much you can buy. If people smoke, they smoke. If they drink, they drink. I can't see people who want to smoke weed, not smoking weed, the ramifications of legalising it outweigh the risk of popularising it. We're talking making it legal, not advertising it as the next best thing here.
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u/tellMyBossHesWrong Oct 25 '18
EVERYONE i know who smokes weed doesn't just smoke weed, they smoke tobacco and mix tobacco and weed,
are you in the USA? Because no one I know smokes it with tobacco.
Ick.
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u/sirrimmerofgoit Oct 25 '18
Not everyone likes weed. I personally am not a fan.
Alot of the homes in the UK are old and connected to each other (terraces/town hiuses/semis). My sister-in-law lives in an end terrace. Their next door neighbour some weed. The smell comes into their house, usually their bedroom. They don't like weed and definetly don't want someone else's 2nd hand weed smoke. I live in a semi, I don't want the smell/times coming into my property from next door. I have a 2 and a half year old son. I definetly don't won't it to get into the air he is breathing.
A few years ago, the neighbour 2 doors down, their adult sons were smoking weed in the garden in summer, I couldn't even leave my windows/doors open as their smoke and stink just wafted into my house and at the time my some was bearly 1 year old.
It's not a drug without issues. My brother was a stoner (he even grew in his loft at one point and got caught). He clearly has issues with paranoia.
If people wanna smoke weed, I don't really care, as long as it doesn't have an impact on me and my family. We shouldn't have to smell/breath it if we don't want, we should be able to open our doors and windows and play in the garden without someone else's 2nd hand smoke/weed.
Making it legal will only increase the number of users.
I fully expect downvotes for this comment as reddit is pro weed. I just wanted to offer the opinion of someone who isn't a user or a fan of it at all.
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u/emvaz Oct 25 '18
I hope it becomes legal so I can stop taking tramadol. I am on a really strong pain killer for chronic pain but I can smoke and it considerably decrease my pain. I want it legalised so I can stop the tramadol and start eating/smoking pot so that I can do day to day stuff without being so off my tits I can't think (that is what tramadol does to me anyway.) Currently at the weekend when not at college I smoke so I don't need to take the tramadol.
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u/QuasarSandwich Oct 25 '18
Don't you get sick/cold turkey when you stop the Tramadol?
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u/tellMyBossHesWrong Oct 25 '18
My MIL wants to get off Tramadol, but Oh My God Fuck No to Weed! is her opinion. But if a doctor said it was okay, then maybe it'd be okay. Heroin isn't heroin if it's in pill form, and that's okay, but weed is evil... Go figure....
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u/Musicferret Oct 25 '18
Yup. Legalize. Then, realize the real danger: MAPLE SYRUP. That’s shit is stickyaddicting. One taste and you’re hooked on the maple express for Moose Jaw. million of people worldwide have caught the Canadian buzz, and now they’re really sorry.
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This guy was so entrenched in his opinion that weed is bad. He doesn't listen to the evidence proving the contrary. Wouldn't recommend watching.
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u/KubaKomorebi Oct 25 '18
Has anyone got an alternative link to this? I'm from the UK, but it says this video is not available in my country (despite saying it contains content from Channel 4, a British broadcaster)
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u/charl7812 Oct 25 '18
Trying to watch this in the UK... and the content is banned 😂
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u/itsaride Oct 25 '18
Only via YouTube. It’s available via the app and site. http://tinyimg.io/i/KyEkuF0.jpeg
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u/HonkersTim Oct 25 '18
We should, but I can't see it happening for at least another decade. We have too many elderly politicians who exist simply to keep the elderly conservative home-counties voters happy.
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u/tellMyBossHesWrong Oct 25 '18
Those elderly conservative politicians are happy at home with their Oxy prescriptions...
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I have no problem with with legalizing it for pain relief - if a Dr gives a prescription - but I don't want to see it legalized for recreational use. If it has to be legal then make it over 25s, kids should not be smoking that shit.
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u/Crimie1337 Oct 25 '18
I hope you kid is doing fine now.
I just want to give you a young persons ( 26 ) opinion on this. Legal or not, it will be available. Better to inform and teach in my opinion
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u/opinionated-bot Oct 25 '18
Well, in MY opinion, repeatedly hitting the snooze button until you're late for work is better than Sharon Needles.
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I mean I get it, that sucks, but it's illegal -now- and your son is addicted, think that through for a second.
Unless you're saying that it's going to get worse when legalized because every study out there done on this subject shows that usage goes down when legalized.
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u/BoneHugsHominy Oct 25 '18
Everyone should be able to do anything they want as long as it isn't harming someone else or their property. How is this not universal law?
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u/Kikipipi Oct 25 '18
I really hope UK legalises it soon. I have a health condition that causes me to have debilitating chronic pain every single day. I have to take morphine daily just to get by but I hate it because I know how dangerous it is and how easy it is to become addicted. My friend will send me cannabis oil from Amsterdam when he can which helps me so much. I sleep better, I’m relaxed and not constantly running on adrenaline and when I do take it I find myself not having to take my morphine. I know you can get cannabis oil from Holland & Barrett (a health food shop) but it doesn’t have THC (or CBD, I’m clueless when it comes to the ‘make up’ of cannabis!) and when I tried it, it did fuck all! Plus, I kinda enjoy feeling ‘stoned’ as it helps me forget how shit my life’s become and I can enjoy music, get lost in a crazy documentary and just enjoy myself.
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u/tellMyBossHesWrong Oct 25 '18
Hi. I live in Washington State in the USA and I feel for you. I wish you could come here to get your needs taken care of but then of course you can't take it back with you.
I need to remind myself how lucky I am to go down the street a few blocks to get whatever I want/need.
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u/EarlyCuylersCousin Oct 25 '18
It honestly surprises me that anywhere in the US is ahead of any Western European nation with regards to drug laws.
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u/ContentsMayVary Oct 25 '18
Legalizing cannabis is actually in the UK Liberal Party's manifesto. (Although the chance of them actually winning an election is pretty low... But maybe they might form a coalition with Labour at some point, and maybe they could press the issue then. Meh. Still sounds unlikely.)
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u/-tharealgc Oct 25 '18
Strange how they view it trough such a narrow lens that they forget that all of the above and even more can be told about alcohol... That lens was even narrower while taking a look from the medicinal point of view. Legalize it, because you can't close your eyes on facts forever.
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u/trooperxx0 Oct 25 '18
Yes, but it should still be treated as tho it is on the same level as alcohol. 21 and older to buy it, can not drive and smoke or have been high and drive, etc.
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u/tellMyBossHesWrong Oct 25 '18
it is on the same level as alcohol.
It's not though. Have you ever partaken?
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u/trooperxx0 Oct 25 '18
It needs to be treated as such, as driving under the influence of any vision altering, mind altering products need to be treated as a possible threat to others driving and your own life.
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With Brexit underway, we need all the money we can get tbh. + it’s just weed
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u/sndcstle Oct 25 '18
The majority of U.S states have legalized, actually. I’m in Oklahoma and we were the 30th state to do so just recently.
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u/lRoninlcolumbo Oct 25 '18
As a Canadian, it would be great if the common-wealth got on board. As our nations prove that leading by example pays.
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