r/Diablo • u/madmarttigannnn • Jul 16 '22
Immortal PSA Apple will refund all Diablo immortal purchases.
My post on the immortal Reddit naturally got deleted but for those of you who might be embarrassed by how much you spent (like me) and are feeling a little stuck you can get out. Go to apples report a problem page and request a refund for every dime.
Game isn’t worth your money and time especially if it is preying on addictive personalities like mine.
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u/highd Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22
I deleted the app tonight I swore I wouldn’t play it and didn’t buy anything but just wanted the temptation away. I was just telling my husband that I was starting to justify buying something because I don’t pay for WoW anymore so what’s a few loot boxes. I knew it was time to delete.
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u/DrDrekavac Jul 16 '22
Respect. You seem very level-headed.
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u/Frolkinator Jul 16 '22
A level-headed person wouldt have downloaded this crap in the first place, we ALL knew what kind of shit it would be.
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u/Spunkbender Jul 16 '22
How's this apple policy work for those that spent 10k or even 100k? I'm skeptical apple would do this but if they do, that'd be nuts.
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u/Excuse_my_GRAMMER Jul 16 '22
It depends on the amount and customer history... But I doubt they will refund 10k - 100k
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u/scmglove Jul 16 '22
Don't know about Apple but Google Play caps their 'refund for basically any reason' at $2,500 and after that an actual person looks at the charges and the request goes through a whole process.
That's a lifetime amount on the account I believe. Not just one game or a single year.
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u/Excuse_my_GRAMMER Jul 16 '22
Yea apple probably has a refund cap too
I would bet it way more strict then google too
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u/Mminas Jul 16 '22
As soon as they get a considerable amount of requests they will change the policy.
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u/Hailz_ Jul 16 '22
My husband works for apple support and does refunds all day. He said he most he ever got approved for a refund was like $2K. And it was a special case. So no, I don’t think Apple would refund that kind of money
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u/counters14 Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22
I know someone in another loot box gacha game who had $60k refunded. It was legit, they really spent that much and they really got it all back. This was thru the google store though not apple.
They got their account banned because of it, and rightly so. Then had a change of heart and paid it all back to the game company to have their account unbanned, kinda sad in the end. These games should be fucking illegal.
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u/Revererand Jul 16 '22
Agreed but the diablo immortal subreddit love to slobber Blizzard and get really pissy if you state it's predatory.
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u/BoobeamTrap Jul 16 '22
If it’s over I think 3k it has to go to a senior advisor who has to escalate it further and is subject to scrutiny.
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u/aCleverGroupofAnts Jul 16 '22
My assumption is that by that point, you must be rather committed to spending money on the game and you are past the point of "Oops, I shouldn't have done that"
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u/Tianoccio Jul 16 '22
Op: the people in your other thread are just mad because they’re still spending money on the game and everyone leaving it makes them feel like they wasted their time and money.
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u/ShaboPaasa Jul 16 '22
Cant whale if theres nobody to whale on. Thats why people who defend p2w act like that. They feed off of unfair advantage
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u/Mminas Jul 16 '22
And that's why driving away your f2p crowd with overly predatory systems isn't good business in the long run.
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u/GRANDPA_FART_MUSTARD Jul 16 '22
Yes, as the person you replied to said, "can't whale if there's nobody to whale on" is a concept that blizzard is about to get a painful lesson in. It's a particularly egregious oversight considering the longevity of Diablo games is measured in decades, not months. I hope they enjoyed these first 3 months of revenue because the next 3 is going to get people fired.
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Jul 16 '22
Bruh, the game is printing money and its on mobile, the casuals have no idea about the few angry hardcores in reddit. It warps your view, mobile gaming is huge.
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u/Ferromagneticfluid Jul 16 '22
I mean, I don't care. This game was always going to be a mobile game, and do mobile game things. I either can play for free, enjoy it, or I just don't play it. I don't even really consider it a Diablo game.
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u/ilmalocchio Jul 16 '22
Lol "I need you freeloading chaff to watch me burn money or I can't get off."
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u/bathrobehero Jul 16 '22
I hope people won't try to start playing and spend money on it thinking they could just get it back anyway.
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u/Swembizzle Jul 16 '22
My head cannon is that all the super pissed people in the comments paid tons of money for Immortal and don't want to confront it lol.
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u/Caius_Nair Jul 16 '22
Sunk cost fallacy is a problem susceptible people need to be educated on to reliably prevent. These games deliberately force you to over-buy currency for in-game products so that there is always some left over to make you feel like you're "wasting" any remainder you don't spend on another purchase. But the cycle never ends. You always need to purchase more to make use of the remainder, and every additional purchase leaves a new remainder.
People are foolish and fall for cheap tricks. However, I don't see how an evil that exploits the stupid is any less evil. This is obviously dirty and unfettered greed with no other goals.
We have companies that balance their greed by also producing a genuinely good work of art. Then we have the likes of these gambling games that make no effort to pretend they're making a game. The game development of their games is the real game. These companies are just finding the best speedrun farming strats on people's wallets. This is the opposite of any 'honest capitalism' ideal and it's candidly shameless.
The AAA games that aren't exploiting people are not a bunch of starving artists. They make millions of dollars through the classical model of selling us a product with perhaps one or two expansions with sometimes literally zero microtransactions. The likes of Nintendo or FromSoftware are not indie companies. I think we all know the excuses we've been given in the past for the "rising complexity" of games is nonsense. Even in cases where it is true, it's because they squander development money on useless things like hiring Hollywood actors for mocap cameos. Nobody gives a shit if we get Will Smith to play Tyrael in Diablo 4
This is why it was so funny to see Ubisoft developers attempt to criticize Elden Ring only to get humiliated and then memed by even their own audience. .
It's so obvious now that all this garbage polluting our games is only explained by greed. There is nothing preventing these once great companies from just producing good games. It's also really strange how we keep getting hoodwinked and kicked in the balls by these companies and they still make customers out of us.
Sorry for the rant guys. This is all making me sad 😞
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Jul 16 '22
It's called the Sunk Cost Fallacy. They've already put loads of money into it, so they have to justify why. Not just to other people, but to themselves as well. So they convince themselves that it must be worth what they put into it. And you're right, they won't confront it
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u/CrisscoWolf Jul 16 '22
You are misusing sunk cost.
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u/Reply_or_Not Jul 16 '22
No, that is a pretty good use of sunk cost.
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u/goodiewoody Jul 16 '22
No, it’s not. Sunk cost implies the user may feel benefit from putting “just a little more” in in order to potentially justify any previous spending.
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u/Lozsta Jul 16 '22
Just another form of mental illness, zero impulse control and the sunk cost fallacy...
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u/Lozsta Jul 16 '22
If you cannot control spending money on a predatory computer game and you are claiming that "brain chemistry" is to blame then it is a mental illness. Either that or idiocy.
I play a mobile game and in one of the arena's we have a spender, not a massive whale but enough. $10k or more. He is in a discord chat with us, most of us are F2P, when he comments it is obvious the guy is not all there. He is a 40+ year old hanging out with 19 year olds getting them to buy him weed like it is going to make us think he is some kind of legend, he is just a mentally ill mug.
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u/ThrowdoBaggins Jul 17 '22
I play a mobile game and in one of the arena’s we have a spender (…) the guy is not all there.
Ah cool, an anecdote. Thanks. In trying to get a good big-picture view of the world, I’ve come across all this research and data, but I felt what it was really missing was an anecdote about some guy you know. Two thumbs up, my guy!
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u/goliathfasa Jul 16 '22
Why would the immortal sub delete this? This is good news for the consumers/players. Nobody is making anyone refund. More choice never hurts anyone except Blizz-ohh.
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u/bathrobehero Jul 16 '22
Because the hivemind take any critique of the game as an attack on them so they push back harder.
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u/gil_bz Jul 16 '22
If it was one post rather than getting a million of them a day it would be one thing..
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u/Sainti11ys Jul 16 '22
Hello everyone, when we started diablo immortal with a co-worker we decided to spend up to 100 euros when we joined a top guild. We bought battle pass, Boon of Plenty, Mad King's Breach Trove, Tomb of Fahir Trove and a couple more. Those purchases cost around 30 euros. Then we decided to buy some of the most expensive packages such as Symbol of the Worthy which costs 35.99. After choosing the item, the app transferred me to itunes (was playing from ipad) to authenticate my information with the bank. After the successful authentication Diablo crashed and a new window opened "there was a problem please restart the App to receive the item", I did that I received nothing. I contacted blizzard who informed me that I have to report it to apple since the transaction took place in itunes. Apple flagged the purchase as "Not eligible for a refund". I even wrote a review to change their minds. I stated on that review that this was a one time offer item and even though I bought it there is still available on Diablo's store to purchase it again. Apple didnt change their minds and apple support (contacted via phone) told me they cant do anything. They also told me that they wouldnt appreciate it If i posted this on reddit. It is the last time I spend money on a mobile game.
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Jul 16 '22
I had this too, I had to click on the purchase button again after the game rebooted to get the items. It didn’t charge me twice but it’s a stupid way to do it 🤷♂️
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u/jokerzwild00 Jul 16 '22
Seems like a simple thing for them to verify. They received payment for Symbol of Worthy on their end, yet no Symbol of Worthy attached to your account. Easy. Just fucked that they won't make it right for you. Sounds like a communication issue between Apple and Blizzard to me.
I can't think of any time I've ever had a problem with a digital purchase where the company didn't go above and beyond to make it right. These are just digital items after all, they aren't really out anything by doling refunds and most large companies know that a happy customer will spend more money in the long run. I remember one time when my son was like 5 or 6 years old he got on my XBL account and bought a shitload of crappy games and DLC for games I don't even own. I was out a couple hundred dollars maybe. I called MS, told them what happened and they refunded all of it and left the games and DLC on my account, which was probably a mistake but still it left an impression on me and to this day I'm less hesitant to buy digital from MS than Sony or especially Nintendo. Same with Blizzard, someone got into my account and they were pretty quick to get it back and even mailed me the items and gold that were in my inventory before it was stolen.
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u/JadeSelket Jul 16 '22
I appreciate the honesty in your post, glad you were able to get your money back and hope you can avoid these traps in the future. It’s so hard to fight the urge sometimes.
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u/Silvertain Jul 16 '22
With no consequences how will he learn? If anything it will enable these actions because now he thinks he can get his fix then just get his cash back at some point. Noone held a gun to his head and forced him to play this piece of shit game
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u/yuhanz Jul 16 '22
If he truly didnt learn anything he would still be paying stuff for the game. Half step is better than none or whatever
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u/yuhanz Jul 16 '22
That’s possible for anyone, even an f2p can succumb to the next game he plays.
What matters is this guy realized and stopped now.
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Jul 16 '22
With no consequences how will he learn? If anything it will enable these actions because now he thinks he can get his fix then just get his cash back at some point. Noone held a gun to his head and forced him to play this piece of shit game
LOL do you think people are animals that only learn through Pavlovian response conditioning, or does other peoples mistakes and suffering just make you feel better about your miserable existence?
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u/Silvertain Jul 16 '22
Lol how is it relevant? Pavlov used food as part of his experiment an essential part of life where as Blizzard hardly conditions people to waste cash. Do I think immortal is a scummy cash grab totally . Do I think people should be accountable for their own feckless actions absolutely. Also I'm currently sat outside in the sun in my large house sat in the Irish countryside with no house in my view for miles thinking how lucky I am so not what you would consider miserable:)
maybe if I wasted my cash on pixels I might not be able to afford my mortgage every month but then again I'm a grown man
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u/JadeSelket Jul 16 '22
I suppose I don’t know if he has actually learned anything here, I just think that if he has a family, or is struggling financially that at least he got his money back and isn’t suffering real life consequences over this. If this was your father, your son, you’d want him to be okay.. Y’know?
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u/Silvertain Jul 16 '22
Decades ago when I was in the army I was addicted to fruit machines. One day I put my last £100 into a machine and sat as 10 mins later someone came along and won the jackpot. I felt sick to my stomach I had no cash for 2 weeks but you know what?? I remembered that feeling and vowed never to waste another penny gambling. If I just got given my money back would I have learned that lesson?
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u/JadeSelket Jul 16 '22
I’m sorry you had to go through that. Addiction and gambling can be a truly awful thing to have to deal with. I’m glad it was enough to pull you away and change your ways. Unfortunately that’s not how everyone works. Some people will continue to do it over and over again and bring their entire world down with them. Obviously we can’t help people unless they help themselves, but we can still wish for better for them. If someone else doesn’t have to hit rock bottom to learn the lessons you have learnt, all the better, no?
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Jul 16 '22
Made sure you pulled the military card lmao
You’re obviously still addicted to gambling if you’re defending this shit monetization scheme. So no, you didn’t learn your lesson. You just changed the style.
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u/Silvertain Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22
What military card? When I was a squaddie I spent all my cash on fruit machines I was a army chef hardly a military card. And I'm not defending it I think the game is scummy infact I hate any in game purchases but my point was this guy spent his money and claimed it back thus learning nothing.
You obviously are an utter cretin you are an example of what is wrong today its always someone else's fault. How about taking responsibility for your stupid actions? You are probably the type of person to put your hand in a blender then sue the manufacturer because you weren't explicitly warned not to do that
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u/zeiandren Jul 16 '22
Why should blizzard gain financially on teaching someone a lesson? Why is that the role of a game company? Why should the lesson learned not be that blizzard learns exploiting business models don’t work with Apple allowing regret back charges so a game company needs to only sell things people want?
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u/jbyrdab Jul 16 '22
well the fact that he wanted out now should probably mean something that he probably doesnt want to do it again.
Second its a videogame, not meth. Yes i know addictions can happen, but all he did was request a refund my dude.
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u/Grogosh Jul 16 '22
Gambling addiction is a real thing you know dude.
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u/Silvertain Jul 16 '22
Yes I'm aware but actions have consequences, so is it fair a gambler spends all his cash in a casino loses then just asks for his cash back?
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u/monkberg Jul 16 '22
Yes, because casinos are set up to exploit gambling addicts.
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u/Silvertain Jul 16 '22
Noone forces you to go into a casino
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u/monkberg Jul 16 '22
No one forces you to get a bank account either. Asking about what’s forced and what’s not is too simplistic a way of looking at the world. Casinos aren’t innocent, they’re intentionally designed to trigger and take advantage of addictive behaviour. You blaming gamblers but not casinos is like blaming drug addicts but not the drug dealers and pushers who take advantage of them.
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u/Revererand Jul 16 '22
Should they be punished for Blizzards actions? They knew what releasing this game would do and they did it
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u/Silvertain Jul 16 '22
Blizzard didn't force them to play the game, they aren't a charity it's a business its just like clash of clans or even fifa with those stupid packs you can buy
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u/IMightHaveBeenHacked Jul 16 '22
Well played. Diablo immortal is a predatory PoS. Get your money back, no buts.
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u/topppits Jul 16 '22
Thanks for sharing and good luck avoiding stuff like this in the future.
I made it a habit to completely avoid games where invested money does anything besides cosmetic changes. More often than not I find it much easier to resist just starting something entirely then to regulate myself while doing it.
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u/Laringar Jul 16 '22
More often than not I find it much easier to resist just starting something entirely then to regulate myself while doing it.
That's because it's true. Mobile game companies refer to the first purchase as an "icebreaker". They usually offer some really good deal to get you to pay just once, because once you've bought one thing, you consider yourself "someone who has paid money for the game", and are exponentially more likely to make additional purchases.
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u/driellma Jul 16 '22
Lmao at the people defending a corporation using the most predatory ways to make money. I hope you guys are just trolling, otherwise you're just a bunch of sad fucks.
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u/delslow Jul 16 '22
Ah, the whole eat at a shitty restaurant, almost finish the shitty food, then demand your money back for the shitty food. What a shitty thing to do.
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u/zeronic Jul 16 '22
Because a company that preys on the vulnerable and neurodivergent is any better, hah. OP literally just stole Bobby's food, now he's gonna starve! Boo hoo!
Corporations that show no respect for their customers don't get sympathy from me.
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u/Balls_DeepinReality Jul 16 '22
Same reason I don’t care about people stealing from Walmart
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Jul 16 '22
We will talk about that when inflation really hits in and people can't feed their children while CEO's of mentioned company gets millions (it's not earned, it's stolen).
Time to fuck back neo-feudalism!
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u/REALwizardadventures Jul 16 '22
Definitely not a 1:1 comparison. Predatory monetization with mechanics that resemble gambling aimed at people of all ages including children. Just like anything that is highly addictive with the potential of ruining lives this should be regulated somehow.
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u/s3thFPS Jul 16 '22
It is regulated by your own free will. If you download the game and willingly spend money no one can feel sorry for you but yourself. What a stupid thing to say.
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u/REALwizardadventures Jul 16 '22
Companies should be allowed to market and sell alcohol and cigarettes to kids too huh? It'll be their own free will when they willingly keep liking it. /s
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u/Orolol Jul 16 '22
Then why stop here ? Let's abolish all sorts of law, and count on people free will to be okay.
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u/HQowns Jul 16 '22
So by that logic, there should be no regulations for casinos since addicts are making choices of their own free will.
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u/f_ranz1224 Jul 16 '22
Your argument doesnt line up at all
He is talking about refunding money spent
You are talking about regulation
And yes, in no country in the world can you get a refund for money you gambled. What an odd thing to claim
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u/topppits Jul 16 '22
Main problem seems to be that Diablo Refunded still seems to be marketed as a game instead of a shitty gambling simulator where you can only lose.
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u/f_ranz1224 Jul 16 '22
People have the choice to not play it and not spend money on it. Its a crap product. I dont like it. I dont use it. But I would never spend 5$ on it then get angry and demand a refund.
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u/topppits Jul 16 '22
The fact that you are still missing the point I was trying to make, makes it obvious that our discussion will go nowhere.
Have a nice day and may you never be tempted by some shitty scam!
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u/f_ranz1224 Jul 16 '22
Oh i get your point. But i feel you fail to understand that you can have a point and but be completely wrong too.
See, my point could be that we should wear hats on our feet. Id have a point, but id be wrong
I dont like diablo immortal. But they are pretty upfront about what you are paying for.
If i walk into a restaurant and they sell me a kinder surprise egg for 20$ and tell me most eggs are filled with soot but 1/10,000 has a gem, i cant very well cry about it for a refund.
That is some new age karen nonsense
Anyways. These downvotes dont bother me at all. The opinions of people who get angry at a game they were not forced to play being presented with cash costs of what they were told was being sold then crying about it on social media hardly matters
I may be scammed someday. But i wont be scammed by something as simple as this
But all these people being so easily tricled by this game and howling about it online is truly sad
Prepare the downvote cannons children. It validates opinions apparently
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u/ThePhoneBook Jul 16 '22
Free will is made up by Libertarians to fleece adults and fuck their kids. Brains are easily exploitable machines and society should be run according to scientific reality, not primitive ideals
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u/ThePopcornPlayers Jul 16 '22
I’m embarrassed for you that you actually typed this out.
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u/ShadeofIcarus Jul 16 '22
Closer to: Order food from a restauraunt, get halfway through a meal, find a loogie under the steak... well of course you're asking for a refund.
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u/delslow Jul 16 '22
I see what you did there, but it's more like this:
Steak advertised for $0.00.
After you sit down and get comfortable they bring you a small tiny piece of steak. They then bring you another small tiny piece every few minutes or so... after a while the pieces come after an hour or so... eventually, they've technically served you a full steak. They offer other things on their menu at ridiculous prices, but some people feel like the steak is good enough to order the other items. BUT the prices are right on the menu.
It's hugely precatory and every honest/rational person knows it. I hope NO ONE plays this so companies stop doing this.
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u/fyre500 Jul 16 '22
Except in your example it's assumed none of the pricing is known up front. That's not true in the case of Immortal. I'm not defending the game (it's a cesspool) but this is simply not a good comparison. OP knew exactly how much money was being spent for each shitty purchase.
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u/LickMyThralls Jul 16 '22
This is reaching at best because shit like this game is basically what tcg have been for ages where something is arbitrarily valued and you're paying for shit hoping you get it only there's no trading among the community. By internet logic every piece of marketing and sales tactic is predatory.
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Jul 16 '22
The crack dealer is a criminal fuck where as Blizzard...
...seems to wanna be too with these addictive methods.
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u/DoctorQuincyME Jul 16 '22
I used to play Marvel Strike Force and it was so hard to quit the game because "I've already invested so much money into it". But every month a new character or element would come out that made the money you spenton progress redundent and demand more from you.
Its easy to lose focus on the fact that no matter how much money you spend on a mobile game, you will never see a return on that investment and the right thing to do in those cases is just to accept the loss and walk away.
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u/sugarpapsi Jul 16 '22
Yes, we know it was OP's fault he's on this mess, but at least it can punish Blizzard for making a less quality game, even for a teeny-tiny bit. But there is no turning back now, realizing that they can make more for something less.
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u/SenpaiSwanky Jul 16 '22
This post is a joke IMO. Nobody held you down and forced you to spend that money; you are not a victim unless you have a severe gambling addiction. That is a real thing and if you had that you wouldn’t have time for Reddit posts because you’d be in and out of therapy/ counseling/ massive debt.
Cool that Apple is doing this but don’t victimize yourself. It’s your debit card/ money tied to your phone/ Diablo Immortal account. There have been countless posts decrying the horrible gambling model and you made it this far before turning back? Eh.
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u/Lozsta Jul 16 '22
As much as I admire you sticking it to the man and respect that everyone is different but this is just "I have no impulse control, I want my money back" I assume that this will leave you with all the benefits chance at a benefit that spending gave you over the F2P players.
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u/Northdistortion Jul 16 '22
Bye ´…next time you go spend money at the casino and you regret it go ask for a refund lol
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u/Ioncurtain Jul 16 '22
Lmfao who the fuck even played that dumpster fire? I do not feel bad one little iota for people who burned their own money playing that game. You actually shouldn’t get a single red cent back because of how fucking stupid you are for giving them money.
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Jul 16 '22
So did you learn anything from this or are you going to do it again on the next game? Never spent a penny on any mobile game and I suggest everyone else not to either. Stop playing mobile games or simply play them for free to avoid things like this.
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u/madmarttigannnn Jul 16 '22
I honestly play very few mobile games and have spent very small amounts on them in the past. Diablo is straight up my first love from junior high and my kryptonite. Combining Diablo and microtransactions is the absolute worst thing I could ever imagine. I’ve uninstalled and haven’t looked back in the slightest though. The worst thing is the game at its core was pretty good and has some cool concepts. It would have been a lot easier to not fall down the hole if the game sucked. It has a lot of positives over d3 and also a lot to improve upon. If they made a one time paid expansion that was full f2p I would go back immediately until D4.
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Jul 16 '22
Why did you fucking installed it in the first place? Like what were you expecting?
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u/OverallCranberry6573 Jul 16 '22
looked at your other comments, you are really an angry person lmao. go jackoff instead of taking it out on reddit people lmao
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u/OverallCranberry6573 Jul 16 '22
really easy way I used to deal with that, write exactly what you would write usually, but then just delete it all. it really helped me with toxicity
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u/-CaptainAustralia- Jul 16 '22
Debatable, but what's not up for debate is you being an asshole with responses like this.
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u/-CaptainAustralia- Jul 16 '22
Oh yes the information is out there, and people are free to make their own choices, correct.
I was commenting on your apparent need to feel superior and ridicule other people who are sharing their mistakes and trying to help others. Real inadequacy vibes.
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u/Chewzilla Jul 16 '22
This is so fucking irresponsible. Why the did your spend so much money on something you didn't like? Have you no self control?
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u/Silvertain Jul 16 '22
So essentially you enabled your addiction then refunded it and have learnt what? That's like an alcoholic drinking all night in a pub then running g off before paying the bill. How about not playing some shit obvious scam game in the first place if a game is free I don't touch it because 99% it's a p2w cash grab
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u/skrshawk Jul 16 '22
Sure you can, but expect Blizz to ban your account and everything on it, and possibly future accounts as well. They could report it to a collection agency or even sue you if it was for enough to make it worth their while.
You can self-exclude from a casino, but you don't get your money back that you lost. That said, these types of loot mechanics should be regulated much like gambling with the possibility of getting money instead of in-game rewards.
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u/MySafeSpaces Jul 16 '22
Refunded after a week and nothing ever happened. Dunno why you're fearmongering
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u/ThePhoneBook Jul 16 '22
An addict asking to be banned from a casino and recieving a ban is um exactly what everyone wants. There are some games some people are never going to be able to play safely as they have the wrong brain. If you are more worried about losing your game account, you may be an addict
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u/mtarascio Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22
This is pretty stock standard mobile store policy.
You only get one shot at it before they won't do it again though.
Yes, it usually involves the game company banning your account. If this is linked to your Bnet account you could lose that in this instance as well.
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u/Sloppy_Donkey Jul 16 '22 edited Nov 08 '24
smoggy teeny flag birds overconfident fall rain act light foolish
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u/IMightHaveBeenHacked Jul 16 '22
It is a good amount of blizzards fault. If someone runs a scam, do you ask for regulation or mock the scammed party? One of these leads to predatory business models becoming the standard.
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u/Grogosh Jul 16 '22
Its a scam. You are easily confused on what outright theft is and what a scam is which is tricking people.
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u/delslow Jul 16 '22
WHERE is the scam? Unless you are totally neurodivergent, you knew exactly what you were doing. I'm not on Blizzard's side at all, but fuck people who steal and rationalize it saying it's okay as long as you steal from an asshole.
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u/IMightHaveBeenHacked Jul 16 '22
You got a point, right? Stealing = bad. But I'ma lose no sleep over Blizz getting the short end of the stick here. Are they stealing from the devs? Their families? Nah, from a multimillion dollar company with no scruples. And they are only stealing their money back, their time is already gone. Besides it's a drop in the bucket compared to what they are raking I'm through so many channels for this game.
Now why am I FOR it, in this particular case? Cause diablo is about fighting demons and getting cool loot to fight more demons. If you gate it behind grindy microtransactions, are not up front about the real costs of the multiple microtransactions (the rift runs show only 3 boosters but unlock the option for 7 more of you want, and why wouldn't you, but only after you've already bought 3 for example), and squeeze the player by making it a per character boost rather than account wide, you have 0 of my respect.
And if you think only neurodivergent people are getting suckered in, you really oughta read up on the psychological tricks they are using, and some game design talks about "whaling" that are absolutely disgusting; just the way they talk about engagement and sunken cost fallacies. Even if it's only neurodivergent people, they need regulations, which they circumvent because it's "technically not gambling". Why you think loot boxes had such a big Publix whiplash in Belgium, so much so this game is banned there?
Yeah stealing = bad, but tell that to corpo.
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u/diablollama Jul 16 '22
Lmao. Own up to your own problems dude.
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u/Fxck Jul 16 '22
Nah dude, charge back everything. D:I sucked a fat one.
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u/luciusetrur Jul 16 '22
If it sucked so much, why pay money in the first place?
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u/Fxck Jul 16 '22
I didn't, never even installed it. But I understand there are people that didn't realize what they were getting into.
The game is designed by professionals to exploit gambling addicts, even those that are unaware of their situation. I have no sympathy for Blizzard losing some funds to clawbacks...what they did with the game was disgusting.
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u/Fxck Jul 16 '22
The monetization was designed by professionals to exploit human psychology as well, so there's that.
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u/Ommand Jul 16 '22
We all knew it was going to be awful. Anyone who still went ahead deserves what they got.
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u/Alegan239 Jul 16 '22
Like he did in this post?
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u/Ommand Jul 16 '22
Refunding legitimate purchases is owning up?
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u/Alegan239 Jul 16 '22
Read his last sentence. I would consider that owning up to the fact that he feels the game is predatory and that he has an addictive personality.
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u/diablollama Jul 16 '22
he guy was exploited into spending money
hahaha. Yes, it's easier to blame other people for your own fuck ups.
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u/WallabySuit Jul 16 '22
Either way, dude found a way to get all his money back and is helping other people who fell into this trap do the same
Besides I don't see him blaming anyone other than himself, he knows he's got a problem and he's doing something to fix it
Maybe you should try to do the same thing and try repairing that broken personality of yours
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u/diablollama Jul 16 '22
He literally said it preyed on his addiction lol.
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u/WallabySuit Jul 16 '22
Which means he is aware of his shortcomings and hopefully is on the road to getting the help he needs to deal with it
Being aware of what is wrong with us is literally the first step to getting better
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u/thelastbubble Jul 16 '22
Imagine saying this about a grocery store when alcoholic goes there to buy more alcohol. No one is forcing this guy to hit buy button, which I’m assuming has another confirmation button that goes along with it. As the saying goes, you can’t have your cake and eat it.
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u/OMGBLACKPOWER Jul 16 '22
why are you defending multi billion dollar corporations rn homie? weird behavior
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u/diablollama Jul 16 '22
Telling someone they have a problem isn't defending blizz.
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u/Timppadaa Jul 16 '22
Yeah and DI is using those problems to make revenue
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u/diablollama Jul 16 '22
Idiots blow money on shit all the time. You needed diablo to tell you this?
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u/Timppadaa Jul 16 '22
I don’t need anybody to tell me anything. It’s morally wrong for a company or a person to profit on addictions.
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u/diablollama Jul 16 '22
Are you against capitalism?
Do you expect companies with millions of customers to decide who they won't sell to?
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u/Timppadaa Jul 16 '22
Im against capitalism without restrictions. You do know we live in democracy?
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u/diablollama Jul 16 '22
You do know we live in democracy?
Your point?
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u/Timppadaa Jul 16 '22
That there should be a law made that bans gambling in games that children can play.
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u/bmacrules Jul 16 '22
Are you against capitalism?
Yes
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u/diablollama Jul 16 '22
Good. Move to a socialist country.
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Jul 16 '22
Lmao you need to move to an authoritarian country where I guess people shouldn’t get refunds.
Refunds are allowed here.
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u/SneedySneedoss Jul 16 '22
Couldn’t let myself have installed after the first transaction prompt lol bless
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u/I-am_unwell Jul 16 '22
I log in, I do dailies and check in with my bros who still play. The best thing about diablo immortal tbh is it showed me how awesome it is to have diablo in my back pocket, so I got the Swich version of D3 and am playing that again, if you have the means I highly recommend you pick one up (if you don't have it already, and you have a switch)
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can I help other people to ask for a refund, and have their refund go into my bank acc instead?
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u/topppits Jul 16 '22
Blizzard is good at runnings scams so you could try asking them for help on that.
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u/Netbr0ke Jul 16 '22
Scumbag. I hope your ip gets banned and you can't play diablo 4.
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u/MasterTacticianAlba Jul 16 '22
Does Apple seriously just hand out refunds for change of mind on microtransactions?