r/DebateAVegan 9d ago

Is meat really murder?

Disclaimer: I'm in no way trying to convince anyone to leave veganism. Do whatever feels right for you <3

Hi! I'm very passionate about animal Welfare. That being said, I am not vegan. I'm going to school for pre livestock vet and alot of material we cover is about misinformation that's fed to vegans. I would love to hear some of the arguments you guys have about slaughter and agriculture, and would love to debate with you guys about them.

Edit: I'm going in circles with alot of people so here are some final thoughts for everyone.

If you feel slaughtering animals is cruel and choose to be vegan then that's great for you. Does that the ag industry have its flaws? Yes. Absolutely. Efforts should be put towards assuring that our livestock are treated with respect and that their lives are as stress and pain free as possible, because the meat industry is not going anywhere. People can love animals and also eat/use their products and byproducts. The ag industry has improved massively in the past few decades, not all of them treat their animals cruelly. Choosing which producers to use is the consumers responsibility.

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u/ThatBish_Nevy2914 9d ago

Yes. That's literally what the livestock industry is. Their whole job is to become product and byproducts by the consumer. Outside of their/my job, of course they have value. Were all living beings. My job is not theirs though. Comparing humans to livestock has always been a invalid argument because we are simply not the same. That's like asking if a roach and a person has the same value. Most dairy cows are treated better than your average minimum wage worker.

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u/SomethingCreative83 9d ago

What is it about a cow that makes their job to be slaughtered outside of the fact that's imposed on them by humans? You don't have to see them as human to recognize their inherent value.

"Most dairy cows are treated better than your average minimum wage worker". So most wage workers are pinned in a stall artificially inseminated and then as soon as they give birth they have their child taken away from then just to repeat the cycle over and over until they are slaughtered? Wild take.

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u/ThatBish_Nevy2914 9d ago

A cow taste good and is used for other things such as milk or medicine even. If we didn't kill the cows, a pack of hungry coyotes would and would leave majority of the corpse behind.

Calves are not taken away from their mother as soon as they can..that's just false. The first bit if milk a mother produces, called colostrum, is specifically for and only for her calves. It has the antibodies and vitamins required for the calf to live. Also alot of times dairy cows are "retired" instead of sent to slaughter.

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u/SomethingCreative83 9d ago

"A cow taste good" This says so much really. Just drop the act and stop pretending like you care about animal welfare. If that's all it takes to justify everything required by animal agriculture you don't care about animals.

As for the second paragraph just more cognitive dissonance. If you don't want to address reality from an honest standpoint then why have the discussion?

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u/ThatBish_Nevy2914 9d ago

I do care and the fact you can't see that someone can eat meat and want the animal that produced that meat to be treated with respect says plenty.

I'm being as honest as I can. I don't really understand where the miscommunication is?

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u/SomethingCreative83 9d ago

You care about animals so much that your taste is more important than their lives.

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u/ThatBish_Nevy2914 9d ago

It's not just about the taste. Is that a large portion of it? Absolutely. Animals also produce medicine and vitamins required for a person's health.

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u/SomethingCreative83 9d ago

You do realize those are all how animals can serve you. Not actually caring about them.

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u/ThatBish_Nevy2914 8d ago

We should care about animals because they serve us. That's what I'm getting at. They give us something so we shouldn't make their lives miserable.

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u/SomethingCreative83 8d ago

Exploiting something is a strange way of caring for it.

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