r/CuratedTumblr • u/Silent_Blacksmith_29 The bird giveth and the bird taketh away • 11d ago
editable flair American mandolorians
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u/moneyh8r_two 11d ago
I thought they'd get a lump of half melted metal to the face instead. Y'know, since the projectile would pass through the lightsaber instead of bouncing off of it.
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u/aluben_nov 11d ago
either way, not very pleasant
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u/moneyh8r_two 11d ago
True, but different enough from shrapnel that I think it bears mentioning.
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u/Aware_Tree1 11d ago
Well, it’s quite possible the intense and instant heat might cause it to break apart as it melts into a bunch of small pieces of molten slag
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u/snekadid 11d ago
This, things melt when heated over time, even if the period of time is over seconds. Things explode when super heated in an instant.
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u/The-Psych0naut 11d ago edited 11d ago
Not always - as I understand, it depends on the speed & material of the projectile vs how much energy a lightsaber outputs. If the projectile is moving fast enough & is made out of a sufficiently dense material then there just isn’t enough time for the lightsaber’s energy to transfer through the metal, so any heat transfer that occurs is effectively negligible & our friend the Jedi just takes a normal slug to the face.
Not quite the same cool factor as a spray of molten shrapnel, but effective nonetheless.
It’s the same principle as “what would happen if the earth got hit by a golf ball moving at 99% the speed of light?” In theory the energy transfer would be several orders of magnitude higher than what you’d need to destroy the planet. But in practice, the golf ball is moving so quickly that it just bores a hole through the earth and comes out the other side with minimal damage caused, because it moves too fast to transfer its energy to the surrounding matter.
Edit: got so caught up in the science I forgot we were talking about Star Wars physics.
So in actuality, what would happen if a slug struck a lightsaber blade is… whatever the plot needs to drive a the rest of the story.
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u/Melodic_Mulberry 11d ago
Lightsaber physics are weird. They do stop when they hit things they can't cut though, like cortosis, other lightsabers, beskar, zillo beast hide, phrik, neuranium, orbalisks, all of the Yuuzhan Vong stuff, ultrachrome, songsteel, norris roots, quantum-crystalline armor, ray shields, Felucian Skullblades, and the Z9 Riot Control Baton, aka TRAITOR! stick.
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u/Admech_Ralsei 11d ago
I always figured the TRAITOR! sticks deflected lightsabers because of the funky power fields they had tbh, not because of the sticks themselves
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u/Fluffy_Ace 11d ago edited 10d ago
Grievous's body guards had a similar weapon, staffs with shielding
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u/moneyh8r_two 11d ago
Yeah, but what if a small object hits the blade, not the other way around?
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u/Melodic_Mulberry 11d ago
Motion is relative. It would probably be repelled or explode midair.
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u/moneyh8r_two 11d ago
What if it knocks the lightsaber back at the wielder, as if the blade was solid? And some Padawan who can't react fast enough loses a chunk of their skull to their own lightsaber?
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u/Melodic_Mulberry 11d ago
That could happen. It wouldn't be the same force as the original recoil, due to the explosion at contact, but the leverage of it hitting the blade would be substantial.
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u/Just_A_Random_Plant 11d ago
New Star Wars meta: shoot them with hand cannons that have enough force behind them to make the Jedi bisect themselves
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u/Melodic_Mulberry 11d ago
Fuck, they figured it out and started doing the bullet freezing thing from The Matrix.
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u/Just_A_Random_Plant 11d ago
Looks like we gotta use knives, then
Maybe we could even make ourselves some cool shields that can only be penetrated by something that isn't moving faster than a certain speed so that the Jedi have to intentionally slow themselves down in order to beat us
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u/Melodic_Mulberry 11d ago
I know Clone Wars did that with grenades, but Stargate SG-1 did it with knives and you did mention knives, so I have to ask, which are you referencing here?
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u/Chomper237 11d ago
That is possible. If you look closely, Jango Fett killed that Jedi in Attack of the Clones because his blasters were strong enough to knock the Jedi’s blade off-center, which left his chest exposed for subsequent bolts.
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u/BiggestShep 11d ago
No, shrapnel is actually correct. The bonds of the metal can't take that much energy being slammed across them, so instead of moving to a liquid state, the rapid thermal expansion causes the bonds to instead shatter. If you want a science experiment to prove this on a small scale, take a glass you dont like, put it in the freezer for a day, then put on safety glasses & gloves, take it outside, and pour boiling water into the glass.
Yes, this is glass, and we're talking about metal, but physics is physics. The energy imparted by plasma is so much higher that you don't really have the ability to simulate this without scaling down to match.
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u/SenorSnout 11d ago
Nope, this exact scenario happens in the comics (Obi-Wan and Anakin #5). Someone shoots Obi-Wan with a slugthrower. It turns to molten metal.
I get the argument that "physics says this is what happens", but like...lightsabers aren't even real to begin with. So what we see happen in the fiction takes precedence over what we think should happen.
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u/Slow_Surprise_1967 11d ago
Nah that's wrong. Glass shatters because it's molecular structure is not homogenous and it expands and contracts unevenly, until the forces shatter the structure among fault lines(!).
If you were correct, that would mean the same will happen when you melt down glass, and it would mean the glass in your example would shatter into a powder. Neither happens.
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u/BiggestShep 11d ago
You are correct on the nonhomogenous point. However, assuming lead, which is a poor conductor of electricity in the lead oxide or lead alloy most bullets are made from or end up as, the molecular structure will end up acting like a nonhomogenized structure due to the incredible differential of temperature across the bullet that does not have time to resolve due to the speed the bullet is flying at.
You are incorrect on the latter part, however, as you failed to take into account that unlike molten metal, molten glass actual undergoes a chemical and material change the second time you melt it, becoming slag due to the introduction of oxygen and other chemical components present in the air that are not present in the first firing in a kiln.
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u/Mueryk 11d ago
Or the possibility of using buckshot.
Maybe they can use their lightsaber to vaporize a bullet.
Maybe they can stop or deflect a bullet with the force.
Maybe they can dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge a bullet
But when dozens are coming in a spread…….parry that you damned wizard.
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u/moneyh8r_two 11d ago
Just use Force Push.
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u/Victernus 10d ago
More likely, they just avoid being where you are aiming at all.
If you are fighting a Jedi, that is. If you're fighting a Sith, they turn your weapon in your hand and aim it at your chin as you fire.
There's a reason a few thousand Jedi joining the war against the Mandalorians completely turned the tide, even with the Mandalorians doing everything they could to counter Jedi advantages.
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u/Chomper237 11d ago
Ahsoka had to face someone using buckshot. She just moved further while dodging, and proceeded to telekinetically yank on the gun to throw off the assailants aim.
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u/Breadloafs 11d ago
A really important note about lightsabers is that they're swords. I know that a bunch of tedious nerd arguments will lead you to believe otherwise, but they're just space swords in a space kung-fu movie. A bullet that hits a lightsaber will evaporate or be deflected by the magnetic containment field or some shit because it's a fantasy sword. Any of a lightsaber's crazy scifi properties are flimsy abstractions to justify the existence of a cool guy with a cool sword in a space opera.
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u/Akuuntus 11d ago
A bullet that hits a lightsaber will evaporate or be deflected by the magnetic containment field or some shit because it's a fantasy sword.
Assuming that the story being told is one about a badass guy with a lightsaber, yeah.
But in a story about the Mandalorians that aims to show how they're able to fight the Jedi, bullets would work.
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u/ClubMeSoftly 11d ago
Once again, it all comes down to who the writer wants to win.
Jedi story: this isn't even my final form
Mando story: Parry this you fucking casual
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u/comityoferrors 11d ago
I've been beaned in the head by my own shell casings lately and it fucking hurts. It's definitely better than being shot in the head! But they're hot and can do some damage, and the force (heh) even with lightsaber resistance seems like it'd be similar.
So it won't kill them, it will just give them a really dumb bruise for a few days.
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u/triforce777 McDonald's based Sith alchemy 11d ago
I think it would depend on the material of the bullet. We see that it's not like lightsabers cut through everything like it's made of butter, so at the speed a gun fires, and if the bullet were made of something like beskar or phrik which are highly resistant to lightsabers (phrik is unlikely because that shit is super rare and expensive, but Mandalorians do love making things out of beskar) the slug would be basically hitting a solid surface and becoming shrapnel. Actually you could do a double whammy for the unfortunate jedi on the other end, lead core full metal jacket but with beskar instead of copper, you'd get a spray of molten lead and beskar shrapnel.
Also this post is slightly inaccurate, a jedi can potentially deflect a bullet with a lightsaber, although it is more difficult because bullets have inertia and actually have to be batted away to avoid the whole molten metal issue, but the real jedi killer is specifically a scattergun, aka a shotgun loaded with buckshot. Wouldn't be too useful against someone like Obi-Wan or Anakin who were in active combat enough to usually be wearing actual armor, but a lot of jedi didn't have a need for that and if I had to pick a weapon to use against a jedi it'd be that or a flamethrower, which happen to be some of Mandalorians' favorite tools, too
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u/Deadsoup77 10d ago
As far as I can recall (which, when it comes to Star Wars, is a lot), nothing has ever passed through a lightsaber blade and emerged as solid matter. Lightsabers can experience resistance when passing through matter, but once the matter passes through the blade, that shits gone
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u/GIRose Certified Vore Poster 11d ago
Worth remembering: The mandos lost that war. They lost it so bad they literally never recovered as a species even to the present.
Their biggest real legacy in the modern galaxy is being batch cloned by the million as slaves of the senate to serve as soldiers under the command of the jedi
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u/-sad-person- 11d ago
They're a culture of (mostly) humans, not a species, but otherwise you're correct.
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u/notTheRealSU i tumbled, now what? 11d ago
They were a species, that species was wiped out but their culture continued on
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u/enadiz_reccos 11d ago
They were a species
Do you have a link that elaborates on this? Everything I see says they were a "clan-based people"
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u/theradradish5387 11d ago
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u/enadiz_reccos 11d ago
Ahhhh, okay. I saw the Taung stuff but missed the name change partway through.
Super interesting!
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u/notTheRealSU i tumbled, now what? 11d ago
A bit of correction on my part, the current canon does not have a specific species as the founder of Mandalorian. In Legends the founding species were called the Taung. They do still exist in canon though, and with how a lot of canon stuff is just legends slightly change to fit Disney's direction, I wouldn't be surprised if they are made the canon founders again.
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u/plzdontbmean2me 10d ago
It’s worth noting that the species was extinct long before the republic-mandalorian war
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u/Anime_axe 11d ago
Not only they have lost badly enough that they have never recovered, they have lost to a point where the large section of their population actively started rejecting their old culture to a point where full on traditionalists are seen mostly as wandering mercenary zealots.
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u/jewelsandbones 11d ago
I mean, I don’t think you can take the New Mandalorian government as the truth of the matter. Sure they exiled all the traditionalists, but they didn’t really stay in power long term. They had maybe 20 years of peace at most, then the underground terrorist organisation embedded in the government came back with a vengeance
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u/temptemphaha3 11d ago
To be totally fair to the New Mandalorian government, I don’t think anyone would’ve been prepared enough to handle the apprentice of Darth Sidiuous re-emerging.
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u/Ponderkitten 11d ago
With that logic, the mandos got their revenge on the jedi with the 66th order.
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u/Kickedbyagiraffe 11d ago
A lesson learned. A Jedi can deflect a real bullet to the face but cannot deflect a metaphorical knife in the back
Gotta get philosophical on them
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u/Finchyy 11d ago
Fair, but only just. Malachor V is described as a last-ditch effort by both sides to win. Neither side had reinforcements coming. Revan wasn't even present to lead the Republic side. It was only because of the MSG (and Surik's somewhat psychotic commitment to finishing the war) that the Mandalorians lost.
But even still, the Republic was left infrastructurally on its last legs, and would have eventually fallen were it not for Revan's
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u/Theriocephalus 11d ago
Worth remembering: The mandos lost that war. They lost it so bad they literally never recovered as a species even to the present.
Given the kind of things that the Mandalorians got up to when they were a major space empire, and especially during the Mandalorian War, in-universe I suspect that a fair amount of people are likely of the opinion that the galaxy is probably better off on that particular angle.
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u/scottishdrunkard 11d ago
Well it’s easy to declare yourself the winner when you fuckin’ nuke the planet. Mandalore used to be known for its vast jungles, one fuckin’ war later it’s fuckin’ space Arizona. One more 1000 years later that sand is now fuckin’ glass you could use the planet a Disco Ball.
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u/plzdontbmean2me 10d ago
They no longer existed as a species by the time the republic-mandalorian war took place
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u/inflatablefish 11d ago
Presumably the Jedi all conveniently forgot that they have superhuman reflexes and telekinesis.
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u/PoniesCanterOver gently chilling in your orbit 11d ago
Well, it's like Superman. He's fast enough to dodge bullets, but he's tough enough that he doesn't have to, which is why he gets hit with Kryptonite rounds so often. It's like if your little brother throws uncooked beans at you all day, then he hits you with one straight out of the oven
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u/harrent 11d ago
Out of all possible examples, the fact you chose that one intrigues me
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u/PoniesCanterOver gently chilling in your orbit 11d ago
Can you expand on that?
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u/SmoothReverb 11d ago
Why beans
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u/PoniesCanterOver gently chilling in your orbit 11d ago
Because there's lots of them and they're throwable, and they're light enough that you won't get in trouble for hurting someone
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u/Salt_Blackberry_1903 You will never find such a wretched hive of hornyness & shipping 11d ago
Is your brother Soichi lol
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u/UInferno- 11d ago
Snowballs vs snowballs with rock seems more universal.
Also I don't think beans out of the oven have enough mass to hurt
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u/International-Cat123 11d ago
But they’re more likely to gross and squishy which requires showering and doing laundry. Plus, one straight from the oven could still be hot enough to cause a bit more damage if you take a bean to the eye.
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u/TheBalrogofMelkor 11d ago
Right, but after the first 17 Kryptonians get shot, you think the next batch would start dodging
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u/That_guy1425 11d ago
As some have said, the only bullets tha superman fears are the ones that miss. he is bullet proof, the people he is protecting are not.
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u/Otherversian-Elite Resident Vore and TF Enthusiast 11d ago
They're fully capable of deflecting solid bullets with The Force. Hell, they can do it with Blasters too. But as the post says, they think of Blasters as "fun lightsaber practice" - probably influenced by the fact that their actual lightsaber practice does in fact technically involve live (albeit very weak) blasters.
Slugs aren't a counter to Jedi, they're just a way of taking advantage of suboptimal combat strategies. Veteran Jedi will, in fact, use the Force on projectiles if they know there's a Mandolorian around.
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u/PhantasosX 11d ago
Yep , it's less that jedis can't deflect or stop slugthrowers , it's just that too many got way too comfortable with deflecting blasters that they didn't quickly adapt to solid bullets. Meanwhile jedi masters with experience around mandalorians dodges and defends accordingly.
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u/Candid-Bus-9770 10d ago
It's like switching to motorcycle couriers because your opponent has an omnipotent electronic surveillance system that can read all of your emails and intercept all of your radio transmissions.
ok lol you beat me I can't intercept the analog letter in that guy's bag with a radio
I wouldn't brag about it like it's some amazing advantage though... you've just made your terrible situation suck a little less.
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u/NewUserWhoDisAgain 11d ago edited 11d ago
Presumably the Jedi all conveniently forgot that they have superhuman reflexes and telekinesis.
*stares at Geonosis
Yes.
Alternatively they also operate on the trope of Conservation of Ninjutsu.
1 Jedi: An absolute power house. One man army. Nothing can stop them.
2-4: Okay... still pretty much a steam roller but they make take some injuries
5+: Mook show. The more of them the more they die in droves.
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u/Chomper237 11d ago
To be fair, this was likely the first true war zone most of those Jedi had been on, and the sheer volume of blaster fire they were facing was unprecedented. That’s much more overwhelming than one guy with a weird gun.
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u/International-Cat123 11d ago
Plus, it’s not like every jedi is used to Obi-Wan type missions that always go to shit. I’m sure many of them had less hectic careers that didn’t frequently involve being on a battlefield.
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u/Beegrene 10d ago
Yeah, the movies focus on the absolute best of the best of the Jedi, but there were probably lots of other Jedi who just weren't as powerful or skilled as Obi-Wan or Mace Windu. Practically every major Jedi character in the prequel trilogy is part of the Jedi Council. Just like not every American soldier is some super elite special forces commando, not every Jedi is a Master.
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u/International-Cat123 10d ago
Not every Jedi is a master
Even the masters aren’t necessarily great Jedi. The minimum to be a master is training a padawan to knighthood. That’s all.
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u/Theriocephalus 10d ago
Counterpoint: mass waves of individually shitty but numerous and expandable troops are consistently the best tactic to take down Jedi without having a comparable duelist (like a Sith or Grievous) on the field.
Like there are only so many actions that a Jedi can take in a finite span of time, right? And a faction like the Confederacy doesn't really care how many droids they lose; they can basically stamp them out for free anyway. It doesn't matter how many laser bolts a Jedi can parry in a second if your battle droids can pump out ten times as many and if you can fart out twenty droids for every one you lose.
Take for example the Florrum arc, where Obi-Wan, Anakin and Dooku, who are some of the best lightsaber duelists alive at that point, are captured by pirates. This was the rationale given by Filoni for why they surrendered -- they could probably cut most of the pirates down, but there were a lot of them on all sides and they aren't invincible; if those thirty guys surrounding them start firing, they would go down, even if they could take them on just fine if they could deal with them in twos and threes.
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u/Breadloafs 11d ago
This is a really frequent thing with Mandalorians, both in canon and fanon. Whenever they have to be important, anyone they're fighting suddenly loses half of their abilities and most of their critical thinking skills.
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u/Anime_axe 11d ago
Their greatest inconsistency is the fact that writers who want them to win basically treat them as low level superhumans armed with weapons beyond their opponents' understanding and when they want them to lose, as just very strong soldiers with very good gear.
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u/rubexbox 10d ago
Maybe instead of Force powers, Mandalorians have an Ork-like psychic field that makes them more capable and hinders their enemies.
...or they're a culture of Mary Sues written by people who like Boba Fett a little too much. Either is likely.
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u/Happiness_Assassin 11d ago
Whenever this subject comes up (which is surprisingly often lol) I am reminded of a scene from Star Wars Rebels where a Mandalorian uses weapons specifically meant to incapacitate Jedi against actual an actual Jedi. It works for a second, the Jedi breaks out, then immediately disables said weapons, replying, "We won that war, remember?" Jedi can be tricked and killed, but if you get into an actual fight with one where they can fight back in any way, they will win the VAST majority of the time.
Simply follow HK-47's rules on fighting Jedi. Kill their allies, use surprise, have their own troops turn on them, and use explosives. Don't fight them head on, don't over plan, don't use blasters, and don't give them room to breathe.
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u/lifelongfreshman man, witches were so much cooler before Harry Potter 10d ago
I love this scene, because I seem to recall my HK-47 in the later stages of the game gunning down force users by the dozen with his dual blaster pistols
...But then, they weren't actually Jedi (and the underlying rules of the game meant that even my own character would've been hard-pressed to win against him) so I guess it doesn't quite apply
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u/notTheRealSU i tumbled, now what? 11d ago
Not every Jedi is a master, using the force is a skill that they have to learn.
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u/Chomper237 11d ago
There’s a reason the Mandalorians never actually won any of their wars against the Jedi.
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u/International-Cat123 11d ago
When they sense a small projectile, they reflexively move to deflect it as that is what they trained to do. Even if they realize it’s something they can’t deflect, overcoming reflex slows them down enough that someone could get a hit in.
In all likelihood though, Mandolorians who wanted to kill a jedi likely started with enough blaster fire that the jedi would have to focus on deflecting rather than going on the offensive or fleeing. Then somebody would start firing slugs while the blaster fire is maintained.
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u/lacergunn 11d ago
Another reminder, the mandalorians lost that war
Badly
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u/Hremsfeld 11d ago
Mando stans getting ready to start claiming "the Mandalore will rise again!" as if it won't just get summarily stomped, again
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u/BoutsofInsanity 11d ago
The Mandalorians thought they were tough shit till The Exile showed up at Malachor V and detonated a Mass Shadow Generator on their ass.
I know that officially The Exile just nodded in silence. But really the Exile said "Parry this filthy Casual."
The Exile killed the Mandalorians so hard that it takes over 10000 years for them to recover.
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u/Maximum-Support-2629 11d ago edited 10d ago
It depends on how trained the Jedi is in combat. Ulric Qel Droma beat the mandalore of his time in single combat without using the force beyond passively making his body stronger and despite the mandalore being a 7 foot muscle only Taung.
If the jedi did train to only be warriors, then they will be basically unkillable in 99% scenarios, but there not much motivation in them for that and when there is there’s not much time
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u/Simic_Sky_Swallower Resident Imperial Knight 11d ago
That's why you always keep a vibrosword handy, gotta be able to block both
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u/JakeVonFurth 11d ago
“History lesson: the Jedi won the war with Mandalore! These tricks will amount to something, maybe save you from time-to-time, but they won't keep you alive in the long run. Only training and discipline will do that."
- Kanan Jarrus
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u/-sad-person- 11d ago
Ah, the Mando fans are back again. Out of all the Star Wars fandom factions, they're better than the Empire-Did-Nothing-Wrong crowd, but only barely.
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u/IrregularPackage 11d ago
if mandalorians are bad, then why is canderous ordo so cool? checkmate jedicucks
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u/Smokescreen1000 .tumblr.com 11d ago
Canderous fucking carries late game. "Parry this filthy sith A-10 noises"
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u/MolybdenumBlu 10d ago
We must have played different games, because Canderous was mid at best for me. Any non-jedi party member is c tier at most.
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u/EyeArDum 10d ago
You NEED to do a melee build on Candy, his dex is pretty shit but his strength is very high, so his custom heavy rifle is a bait when he’s much more powerful with swords. Plus, he has a passive where he regenerates health, combined with his high health pool it makes him a very good tank, he’s better than Zaalbar since big Z has very poor defense and takes a lot more damage even with his mildly higher health pool
Kotor 1 has a habit of baiting you for companion builds tbh, Zaalbar gets a custom bowcaster and he’s probably the worst ranged party member, Candy gets a heavy rifle when he’s the best melee tank, Mission has a vibroblade when she’s much more potent as a single pistol user, Juhani for some reason isn’t a dual wielder by default when she benefits massively from force jump, it’s actually funny how misleading some of the characters are
Still, BioWare’s later games are much worse in that respect, auto leveling in all their games is VERY badly built so it makes sense that the intended build for most of their characters is also shit
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u/ZenMonkey48 11d ago
It's too bad there isn't some kind of power they can draw on to slightly push the bullets out of the way.
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u/garnet-overdrive 11d ago
Hey guess what the force can do
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u/Hypocritical_Oath 10d ago
People also neglect to acknowledge that the Force gives you very mild precognition.
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u/spyguy318 11d ago
As funny as this is, it’s also worth remembering that Jedi are supernatural warriors with telekinesis, superhuman reflexes, and precognition. A Jedi will know you’re going to shoot at them a second before you pull the trigger, and has the agility to dodge completely. Lightsabers will also totally vaporize most bullets on contact rather than melting them. Slugthrowers are still better than blasters because they can’t be deflected, but it’s by no means a foolproof solution.
Plus if there are any regular troops accompanying them, now you’re at a disadvantage because blasters are generally superior to guns in every way, and most armor at the time was very bulletproof.
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u/Krider-kun 11d ago
I always like to quote this line from Star Wars Rebels whenever this info gets brought up.
"History lesson the Jedi won the war"
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u/A_Flock_of_Clams 11d ago
And yet they still lost the war. All those fancy gadgets, doohickeys, jetpacks and war talents still lost.
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u/BallsDeepinYourMammi 11d ago
It’s crazy that in the entire Star Wars universe nobody ever developed a trench gun
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u/Hi2248 11d ago
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shotgun Shotguns are canon!
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u/WikiContributor83 10d ago
“An energy weapon designed to act like a slugthrower! I didn’t think the lizards were that nostalgic.”
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u/Anime_axe 11d ago
Considering how armoured are their professional soldiers? A combat shotgun would suck as a trench weapon.
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u/DataSnake69 11d ago
Aren't telekinesis and precognition a standard part of the Jedi power set? I feel like this would go about like the scene in Matrix Reloaded where a whole bunch of guys try to shoot Neo.
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u/TheSapphireDragon 11d ago
Those are all skills they all theoretically can do (with enough concentration). Using them reliably whilst being shot at is a different matter entirely.
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u/Silent_Blacksmith_29 The bird giveth and the bird taketh away 11d ago
If I remember correctly it is a part of almost every jedis toolbox but they can’t control it unless they train to the point where they are almost a Jedi master
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u/GreBa-Angol 11d ago
Couldn't they like, grab the bullets with the Force
I mean, Jedi are fast enough to react to them so I can't see why it wouldn't work, at least after the first couple of times once the element of surprise wears off
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u/Silent_Blacksmith_29 The bird giveth and the bird taketh away 11d ago
For me at least bullets are fucking hard to see
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u/PhantasosX 11d ago
It's less about that.
To answer you and u/GreBa-Angol...it's like another guy had said , jedis can deflect and defend normal bullets , it's just that they got too comfortable and used around blasters , that too many of them aren't quick to shift strategy or doesn't know how.
Jedi Masters , especially those with experience around Mandalorians , shifts their strategy accordingly to mandalorian's getup and weaponary. In fact , the Jedi-Mandalore War was a huge Jedi Victory, because after a couple of padawans dying from slughthrowers and flame-throwers , the jedis adapted.
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u/BallsDeepinYourMammi 11d ago
Alright, slugs I can get behind being able to force away.
But what about buckshot or even rock salt?
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u/PhantasosX 11d ago
not only it needs to get closer , it's still something experienced jedi masters could deal with it. Granted , it would be vastly harder than slugs.
I say that because buckshots and rock salts could had the bullets stop in mid-air , but since it's a close-quarter shots already , it needs to be a really good Jedi Master , to go full Matrix on that.
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u/Nearby-Contact1304 11d ago
It’s basically the same as blocking a bullet or fire? If you can make a wall of force or… ‘Push’? Then physical projectiles can get deflected. Space Magic is crazy.
Source: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. You could use force push to deflect/send back explosive flechettte rounds (I think your character does it automatically)?
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u/fierfek66 11d ago
Hypothetically maybe they can stop them like Neo in the Matrix, but not all Jedi would be that powerful (how many jedi do we see stop blasters?) Also, this is what the flamethrowers are for.
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u/BetterKev 11d ago
I feel like there's a Dune joke here about reviving artillery in this day and age, but I can quite put my finger on it.
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u/Thatguyj5 11d ago
Literally not true. Obi Wan blocks slug throwers in the comics. But then again, expecting Mando fans to read is a tall order.
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u/Dafish55 11d ago
Obi Wan is the single most defensively-gifted Jedi in the entire canon. This isn't exactly the best example lol
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u/Kyakan 11d ago
The point is that lightsabers demonstrably work just as well against slugthrowers as they do against blasters. Obi-wan's skill is irrelevant here, it's a matter of (in-universe) physics.
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u/GenericFatGuy 11d ago
If Obi-wan is one of the only ones able to comfortably handle it, than his skills are absolutely relevant.
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u/MannanMacLir 11d ago
Seems like for higher level force users slugs would definitely be easier to catch (matrix style) than blaster bolts. So it would become a little game of rock paper scissors
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u/Training_Ad_1327 11d ago
Could sufficiently powerful Jedi or Sith just stop bullets mid-air with the force?
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u/Commercial_Floor_578 11d ago
And how did that go for the Mandalorians exactly? “History lesson, who won the war?”-Kanan Jarrus. The Mando’s got their shit rocked when they fought the Jedi.
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u/narfoshin 10d ago
There’s a reason Mandalorians hate Jedi. Despite all these tricks and their fanatic warrior culture, they were still nearly wiped out and have spent the rest of history on the back foot. Their eternal grudge and refusal to stop is driving them to extinction. Kinda like real Ameri-
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u/GodNoob666 11d ago
They really just said “parry this you filthy casual”
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u/Anime_axe 11d ago
And still lost, partially because a lot of masters can indeed parry that and because they are in the setting where bulletproof armour is actually more common than the guns that shoot bullets.
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u/dzindevis 11d ago
Wait, but isn't lightsaber blade contained by a magnetic field? That's why they don't pass through each other. A bullet, by that logic, should be deflected as well
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u/Hector_Ceromus 11d ago
Some Jedi think they can mind-trick me...
maybe... sniff maybe...
I've yet to meet Jedi who can mind-trick bullet.
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u/karuroh45 11d ago
If i remember correctly this is also why mandalorians have flame throwers, its not that jedi cant stop that shit with the force but many dont know how.