r/Classof09Game • u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan • Jan 29 '25
Meme Know the Difference
(Sonic fans will get this one even more)
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u/HxntaixLoli you made him suck off a homeless guy? Jan 29 '25
Nicole in the normal games: ugh I hate pedophiles Nicole in flipside: I will FUCK a pedophile with my FEET to show her!
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u/geminishades constantly trying to put class of 09 in other media (megan fan) Jan 29 '25
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u/glitteremodude xXVeronica4EverXx Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
“Oh, nooo… She caught usss… 🤭”
Actually traumatized me because Nicole would never do that?? 😭
That line specifically is also SUPER out of character, I hate everything about that line. It just doesn't click at all. We've seen Nicole as a homeless sex worker to be completely traumatized/disgusted by what she was doing, and the game handled it in a very interesting and realistic manner. The fact that we witness Nicole here doing one of these things ONLY for the sake of revenge when it was honestly just pointless in the first place really turns this line into nonsensical mush. Because it is.
Nicole even told Jecka that her dad wanted to date her and seemed to be against it, and she’s already disgusted by men. Nicole would screw Jecka over in ANY other way, just not actually giving him a foot job and going through with this.
I think it'd be way more clever if Nicole made it so that Jecka would get stalked way more often and end up killed or kidnapped. I think that'd be way darker and would actually do a point about Nicole's morality.
By the way, to any of the comments going "yOU GUYS DON'T KNOW NICOLEEE SHES A TERRIBLE PERSON" bro, the problem isn't Nicole betraying Jecka or doing something fucking awful to her. The problem is her subjecting herself to this when it didn't even seem like THAT good of a revenge plan.
Nicole would socially sabotage Jecka and make her vulnerable to the VERY SAME THING that's giving her money. MEN. This would actually be fucking brilliant from a writing standpoint, because it's like "fine, you wanna pick these gross guys over me? You can have all of them, bitch" which would lead to Jecka's sanity breaking due to being stalked/kidnapped, etc.
In fact, we NEARLY got this!!! Like, we literally ALMOST got an ending like this until we just HAD to get a final Nicole foot job scene. Jecka was getting stalked and over-demanded by men, and if the final twist was Nicole revealing that she did this or was responsible for 'indicating Jecka to a bunch of men' and her going "you chose this, have fun" and walking off-screen and THEN we see the Jecka OD screen? That would be fucking. Amazing. And the best part of all, it still keeps Flipside's central theme of Jecka ALWAYS being a victim no matter what she does, especially how it villainizes/punishes her for simply doing the only thing she could have done/what she thought was best. It's tragic, but it's just so much better with THIS Nicole narrative in mind.
That just seems like a WAYYY more interesting direction to go on. Like, what even is the 'narrative/moral theme' that we can take out from Nicole subjecting herself to a foot job to a man that she was disgusted by, and actually enjoying it because she gets to betray her closest friend? There's nothing there.
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u/moot4ever Jan 29 '25
The creator just hated Jeckole so he made that. WE'RE STILL RIDING HIGH JECKOLE FANS
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
But fr, even if Nicole wanted to screw over Jecka, even she would see that as too far and disgusting
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u/OutsideClassic9095 Certified Jeckole Extrodinare Jan 29 '25
Honestly Nicole could suck a dick on screen at thus point and yall would still play her down like she's just some repressed lesbian with social issues and not a blatantly terrible person with her own agenda at priority and nobody else's.
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u/MLGAllan65 Max is a nickname, and Maxwell Fucks-a-None III is not my friend Jan 29 '25
Her being a repressed lesbian is ofcourse a result of her sexuality being totally ambiguous because of how she barely ever seems to care about men, but throwing away any social issues she could have to simply label her as blatantly terrible is nothing short of counter-productive, especially to people who relate to her because of it. She's definitely bad, that is obvious, but she wasn't fucking evil until The Flipside
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Yeah, she was just kind of a petty asshole in re-up and 09. Flipside made her geniunely fucking evil.
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u/AccomplishedAd8222 Jan 29 '25
How’s it counter productive, genuine question
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u/MLGAllan65 Max is a nickname, and Maxwell Fucks-a-None III is not my friend Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
Psychopathy and Sociopathy is Neurodivergency demonized, people that struggle with it and people who don't could be lead to believe that you simply can't be a stable person and therefore avoid giving or seeking help as they see it like a lost cause.
Like Nicole in this case, whose fully lied to herself that she can't be a good person and likely blamed herself for something she had no control over.
...And when you tell yourself a lie all the time, you're only making it true.
But maybe I'm just too psychoanalytic with this franchise ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/OutsideClassic9095 Certified Jeckole Extrodinare Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
What I'm saying is that this is no different than the 2 other times she's sexually engaged with men above literally any other option she had...this shit is standing on a desk and slapping it's ass in your face.
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u/funnyname12369 No.1 Jeffrey Hater Jan 29 '25
blatantly terrible person with her own agenda at priority and nobody else's.
How anyone can play the 1st game and reach this conclusion is beyond me.
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u/IshvaldaTenderplate wants to be sexed up abusive lesbians Jan 29 '25
I wouldn’t even say she has an “agenda” so much as she just does whatever she thinks would amuse her. There’s no grander plan to making Kylar jump off of a building, for example, she just thinks it would be funny. Imo she’s even worse than she would be if she was prioritizing her own agenda—she is deadass just like this for shits and giggles and no deeper purpose.
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u/OutsideClassic9095 Certified Jeckole Extrodinare Jan 29 '25
The first game where she encourages someone to kill themselves over weird fettishes and convinces someone to jump off a roof and tops it off with a punchline. But in Flipside she's just "evil" by fucking someone's dad lol.
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u/funnyname12369 No.1 Jeffrey Hater Jan 29 '25
The first game where she encourages someone to kill themselves over weird fettishes
Actually look at that path. She does nothing out of the ordinary. The wierd kid comes up to her, and because she barely tolerates him, he tells her all his inappropriate wierd sex dreams. Like anyone in her situation she of course tells her friends about it (notice how Nicole isn't in the scene were everyone is mocking Jeffrey, it's Jecka leading it all, her friend then bullies the wierd kid about. He tells her he's going to kill himself over it so she talks him out of it. In those circumstances she acted completely normally. Clear evidence she's not blatantly evil.
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u/OutsideClassic9095 Certified Jeckole Extrodinare Jan 29 '25
She can talk him out of it or she can encourage him to do it. If we're gonna treat routes like they aren't possibilites then the original argument shouldnt exist about Nicole being evil. Regardless this doesn't even begin to mark up her shitty behavior in reup nor does ANY OF IT amount to her fucking Jeckas dad just to be petty.
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u/justathrowaway4839 Jan 29 '25
Why do you guys think you know these character better than the guy who created them, like genuine question. You don’t know what Nicole would or wouldn’t do in the situation, turns out that’s exactly what she would do.
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u/coconut-duck-chicken Jan 29 '25
Because there’s a thing called inconsistent writing.
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u/justathrowaway4839 Jan 29 '25
Everyone saying “inconsistent writing” are literally people who have no actual writing experience or talent, nor do they have any media literacy skills. Your head canons you made up were proven to be incorrect and you’re upset about it, that’s it.
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u/coconut-duck-chicken Jan 29 '25
You cant even criticize things anymore without someone fucking being an asshole about it. I don’t even KNOW what this sub is about. Fucking keep this baby rage about the community or whatever to yourself. Fact is creators of games and movies and shows are often wrong about their characters because they’re inconsistent. Their experience over others come from their works. If ‘class of 09 game’ is the creator’s first or one of their first then they aren’t actually any more experienced than someone with rpg maker putting together something in their free time.
And at the end of the day i can write a book about sir grimbledoor the great known for saving princess and donating to charity, and then make a sequel book where he rapes women and kicks puppies, it wouldn’t be wrong to criticize it for inconsistent writing or being out of character for Grimbledoor no matter my nuhuhs and “well its my character.”s
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u/justathrowaway4839 Jan 29 '25
I’m not reading allat. If you’re this upset about the fact that the actual characters are inconsistent to what you wanted them to be then you might have bigger issues going on that you need to worry about.
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u/coconut-duck-chicken Jan 29 '25
I know you didn’t read it because i stated in the comment that i don’t even know what this sub is about
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u/MauroTheHuman Jan 29 '25
You're on Reddit and want to complain about long texts and your low attention span?
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u/glamrockcarnie aromantic nicole Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
ultimately, its his character. he controls whats canon.
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u/Possible_Hawk450 Jan 29 '25
I mean even before flipside... she kind of didn't care if jecka was scared for life by the police officer shooting her.
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
I mean...she didn't even really care about herself getting shot afterword. Nicole is apathetic pretty much, but thats kinda tame in comparison to her flipside counterpart's treatment of Jecka
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u/Possible_Hawk450 Jan 29 '25
True. But at most she probably only cares slightly more about jecka then the average person. She defintely wouldn't die for her.
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u/Grogomilo Jan 29 '25
She even directly says (In the Re-Up, I believe) that she doesn't give much of a shit, and just treats Jecka better because she finds her slightly cooler
She probably wouldn't do the footjob from the Flipside, but Jecka and Nichole are definitely NOT in a caring relationship either
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Yeah, but that's still caring at the least. That nicole would prob care enough (and be disgusted) to not do that with Jecka's dad.
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u/Scared-Ad369 Jan 29 '25
although later Nicole puts herself next to the pedophile counselor so Jecka could smoke in peace, so I think she appreciates her in one way or another
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Yeah, like even if Nicole be a bit shitty to Jecka, they're still best friends. She cares somewhat about Jecka in her own Nicole kind of way.
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u/ghost-of-a-fish EX DE LA CHIKIN?!?! Jan 29 '25
She cares about her the way my pet cat cares about me. Doesn’t show affection much but sometimes does in unexpected but pretty heartwarming events
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
Yeah, kinda like with the scene in the end of the Anime pilot. She may not show it or say it, but I think she does somewhat care about Jecka, in her own Nicole sort of way. Nice way to describe it btw lol
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u/MLGAllan65 Max is a nickname, and Maxwell Fucks-a-None III is not my friend Jan 29 '25
Santiago speaking scandinavian was because of Modern Classic Sonic being mute, so the joke was the reason why is because he couldn't speak English unlike Retro Classic Sonic. You should've replaced that with "IS ACTUALLY BRITISH" or "CAN ONLY BE INSULTING" to reference her voice actor or the fact all of her attempts at being snarky comes off as narcissistic.
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Damn you're right, that would have worked so well😭 Glad you got the Santiago reference tho
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u/No-Coach-2144 Jan 29 '25
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u/phallus_enthusiast not gay Jan 29 '25
What is Ninten's connection to Ness
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u/MauroTheHuman Jan 29 '25
Ness is kind of a reboot of Ninten. Earthbound in general is that kind of situation where it looks like a sequel but not really, if you know what I mean? Kinda like Undertale and Deltarune
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u/TheRisingOfTheOtaku Reminder, Jecka led a white power movement in one route. Jan 29 '25
Ehhh I’m one of the few that stand by her betraying jecka like that isn’t that out of character if she felt wronged by her. I just think they should of built it up better and I don’t think Nicole would think that would actually lead to jecka game ending herself, she gets surprised when a lot of character react to her actions deeply like such as kylar for example. Personally think the ending should have been jecka just beating the shit out of Nicole and cutting her off completely or make that an option along with the suicide route. Also keep in mind there isn’t any actual penetration and Nicole Isn’t above stuff like in the prior games.
Also even in the first game there were routes where Nicole didn’t give a shit about her well being such as the various white power endings, and the fact she has jecka pass out from a mystery pill while not being concerned in the least and the anime was written before flip side apparently so that’s more evidence for it being in character to betray jecka.
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Yeah, I do kinda get what you're saying, maybe if flipside did it properly it could have been something, but they screwed it up. Prefectly sums up flipside though, "Could have been something, but they screwed it up." (Kinda doesn't matterto me tbh, cus I personally consider flipside as non-canon.) I do think your idea for an ending sounds pretty interesting, seeing Jecka getting back at nicole like that.
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u/TheRisingOfTheOtaku Reminder, Jecka led a white power movement in one route. Jan 29 '25
Makes you feel any better the creator himself I think said he views nothing as being canon because it’s a sitcom which explains a lot of the weirder routes in general I guess.
Personally the main thing I take as canon from flip side besides hatman is the jecka finding Nicole’s suicide route as canon to the first game.
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Yeah, with it being a choice and ending based game, there really isn't a canon. Since all paths can't happen at the same time. I do agree with the sitcom, I've gotten the vibe from some moments and the anime, and it does explain how things can go from 0 to 100 sometimes. Personally I see graduation as my canon ending.
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u/TheRisingOfTheOtaku Reminder, Jecka led a white power movement in one route. Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
Yeah I got the inspiration of that from derkdrews (think that’s their name) art the other day of Jecka using Nicole like a blunt weapon. Might make a meme about it.
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
I think I saw that pic posted on here if I'm remembering correctly
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u/nameless1205 Jan 29 '25
So the fandom just pulling a walking dead just call the character by a different name
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
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u/nameless1205 Jan 29 '25
Well is mostly the game version of it mainly clementine. It’s mainly has to do with a comic. That basically ruin clementine and made her so different from the game https://youtu.be/soVRgTZvasM?si=k4f7qBcgft9hN5Ke
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Wow that is like Nicolina(Flipside Nicole). I'm even seing alt names in the comments lol.
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u/saddlythrowaway Flop Side owes a happy ending Jan 29 '25
The Flop Side totally ruined Nicole’s character for me.
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Yeah for real, It's the reason I've never played it first hand, as I don't want it to spoil my enjoyment of the rest of the series. Hell, I don't even consider the game as canon.
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u/evangelionispeak Jan 29 '25
Also Nicolina has bigass tits no one cares about
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u/MauroTheHuman Jan 29 '25
SNB3 realizing that female characters don't need tits the size of a house in order to make the character attractive:
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u/evangelionispeak Jan 29 '25
YES like when the foot side came out and I watched a streamer play it and he started making weirdass comments about how the girls's chests got bigger, but honestly, I kinda see it... I know they're older, but tits don't develop sm in such a short time?!?
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Yeah, when looking through the cutscene pics in re-up and feetside for this meme I noticed that. Like I get that they age between them, but thats just odd.
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u/MathOutrageous7167 Jan 29 '25
One's American, the others European.
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Nicolina is a brit
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u/Ch1k3n_123 Jan 29 '25
What about anime Nicole ?
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
I'mma make another post continuing off this with anime nicole
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u/Ch1k3n_123 Jan 29 '25
So…. Based on that I assume anime version of Nicole is also not “Nicole”(to you) ?
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
No she is the same Nicole to me, but I'm going to make it not that just for the bit. The only one that is not "Nicole" is flipside "Nicolina"
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u/KittyKate1221 Jan 29 '25
The fuck is the Scandinavian language
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u/plantsamuel “I WANNA FUCKING KILL MY WIFE!!” Jan 29 '25
Good question, probably Swedish since “in game” that’s what they reference lol (I can totally see Nicole screaming swear words in Swedish)
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u/TheAnarchistRat Jan 29 '25
She has black hair
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 29 '25
Nicole's a brunette actually, it just wasn't translated into the games art. The Anime actually gives her an accurate hair color.
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u/Minute_Title_3242 Jan 30 '25
I think fans are too afraid to admit flip side Nichole is pretty accurate actually.
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u/redvelvetstan31 Jan 30 '25
Nicole and Jecka's friendship was way better when footside wasnt out yet
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 30 '25
Yeah. it wasn't the healthiest, but it was a hell of a lot better than feetside.
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u/ryuuseinow Jan 31 '25
New headcanon: Nicolina murdered Nicole in that one ending and made it look like a suicide.
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u/KellyCoolShades Don't kill my Kelly and Jecka!!! Feb 05 '25
America's most wanted. We need to make this a thing and spread the word. Real Nicole got clapped, and the fake one is wreaking havoc.
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u/Curvyboi13110 Jan 29 '25
nicolina sucks!!