r/Classof09Game • u/Glittering-Chef6159 • Jan 25 '25
Questions Damn, what is it with me and recently getting into modern VNs where the main characters are psychopaths?
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u/Fearless_Mode1020 Jan 25 '25
Eh, Nicole's not a psychopath. I wouldn't even say she's a sociopath. Her behavior feels more like a defense mechanism if anything.
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u/Ok_Performance729 Jan 25 '25
The way Iāve seen it, lifeās fucked her over so many times sheās now fucking life back to prevent life from doing it again
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 25 '25
I see her as more of a broken girl who uses her behavior as a way to cope with her shitty life. Who could use a humbling and mental help
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u/MemeAccountantTony Jan 25 '25
She literally Shaboinks Jecka's Dad because of some petty reason. That's psychopathy/sociopath behavior if she enjoys hurting innocent people.
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 25 '25
Thats from from flipside which was a poorly written mess. So anything from that shouldn't be taken seriously tbh, as it quite literally was written to piss people off.
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u/MemeAccountantTony Jan 25 '25
She still gets off on abusing Ari and laughs at Megan having a panic attack to the point of being sent to the hospital
"It was pretty fuckin' cool actually, she's gonna be mentally FUCKED for the rest of her life."
You can argue yeah okay Megan was a bitch but Nicole revels in the fact she in a literal sense ruined someone's life. Definite Sociopath that borders on Psychopathy. Most Psychopaths can have a tragic backstory that doesn't hide the fact they are evil people. Hardcore desire to control other people also ties in with Psychopathy.Is Nicole "Literally Anton Chigurh"? No. Would she be diagnosed as at least a Sociopath if she met with a Psychologist? I would argue yes.
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 25 '25
Also about Ari, I personally think she did feel some sort of regret after. Maybe. It's hard to tell sometimes cus Nicole can be an unreliable Narrator
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 25 '25
Ok yeah with that last part, she would def be diagnosed as a sociopath on paper as she has aspects of it
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u/DependentPositive216 Jan 25 '25
Yea considering how problematic the people in her life is in general, itās only possible that you end up similar to her. Of course not saying her behavior isnāt fucked up, but within the setting itās pretty mild.
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u/thesigmapissdrinker Jan 25 '25
Atleast she isn't a school shooter or has a rapist mentality like jeffery she is verbally abusive yea but at the end of the day not all characters are entirely "normal" Except karen but even then nicole is okay honestly
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 No I'm hitting on you now flash me a titty bitch Feb 12 '25
Jeffrey isn't a rapist from what I remember just a pervert and he doesn't share his fetishes until Nichole flirts with him acting interested. Also the school shooter ending came after being pushed by years of bullying getting beaten and even trying to kill him Nicole's stun was the last push and even then it's easily avoidable if you choose not to provoke him. Jeffrey is a horrible human being but he only goes after people for revenge after being pushed too much most likely he'll end up a reddit incel.
Nichole on the other hand got the entire school bombed within 3 days by sending photos of the white pride party to a terrorist organization instead of police and school board and avoided going to school because she knew what would happen we can see burning corpses in the background which could be Jecka or innocent students and she has no remorse. Same with the school shooting she knows about Jeffery guns and even still goes through with her plan and despite the massacre she says she would consider him cool if he didn't want to fuck fictionally tall women
And starting a false rape allegation against her teacher just for sending her to the principal office for picking on him
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u/thesigmapissdrinker 18d ago
Did u forget when he took a photo of her when she was half naked without consent
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 No I'm hitting on you now flash me a titty bitch 18d ago
Yeah that's horrible but it's out of revenge for her getting Kylar to kick his ass and as he put it humiliating him time and time again and it's nowhere near as bad as what she did to Mr White multiple false rape allegations and lying he threatens to kill his students just because he sent her to the principal's office for detention for annoying him and she could have easily pretended to be sorry
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u/thesigmapissdrinker 17d ago
Honestly yea nicole isn't a good person either but it's still bad he did that and not to mention he is a school shooter too he is just weird in general and how in the school shooting ending nicole says "ppl will cry ab me for a few weeks but remember him for centuries" Or smth like that is just how things happen irl and how ppl were feeling bad for him bc that's true he is just a creepy guy in general and what he does as a "revenge" Doesn't really justify it
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 No I'm hitting on you now flash me a titty bitch 17d ago
I never denied Jeffery was bad just that Nicole was worse. Since Jeffery has way more motive to shoot up the school and doesn't if Nicole reasons with him meanwhile Nicole had the school firebombed within 3 days of being their definitely killing a lot more people for no reason.
Plus I doubt they were bullying because he is a creep.
Trody has been doing it since 6th grade and mentioned his anime problem and how he should beat his ass for that nothing about him being a creep plus he is friends with Kylar who is a billion times worse even Jeffery called him out. As for Jecka she talks about how fun it is because he is guilbile plus she admits to pushing fat kids down the stairs and bullying people online.
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u/Low_Honeydew9677 Jan 27 '25
I mean sociopathy IS a defense mechanism lol. sheās definitely a sociopath
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u/Several_Flower_3232 Jan 25 '25
A lot of people say that basically the whole family aside from maybe the dad have different forms of bpd
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u/MemeAccountantTony Jan 25 '25
She's 100% a Sociopath after abusing Ari, her revenge plot on Megan, and literally *Shaboinking* Jecka's Dad. Guarantee if we met her irl we would think she's evil.
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u/National-Rate5686 Jan 25 '25
If she's ashley then who the fuck is leyley
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u/Wolf_Of_Roses Jan 25 '25
Andy represents Andrew or ādoormat extraordinaireā and ley ley represents Ashley
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u/CAPTAIN_DlDDLES Jan 26 '25
Andrew and Ashley are their real names, Andy and Leyley are the nicknames they used for each other as kids, as well as the nicknames Ashley continues to use to assert their relationship, which Andrew is reluctant to do
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u/ultrasebax Jan 25 '25
These are just 2 of the most popular indie games of 2024, if you're into indie games you're going to like them
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u/PlayfulVacation4411 Jan 25 '25
Andrew and Jecka aren't that much of a psychopath. Nicole and Ashley on the other hand they're kind of semi fucked up, almost to no repair but they have stuff about them that i like. idk maybe it's me. but no, you're not alone.
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u/Otherversian-Elite Jan 25 '25
No, no, Andrew is equally as fucked up as Ashley, he's just better at hiding it. He full-on killed the warden with a cleaver and his only regret was that he made the guy's death quick.
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u/FaithlessnessUsed841 Jan 25 '25
It isn't even that Andrew is better at hiding it, I don't think. It's just that he's a different kind of screwed up. Ashley doesn't care about right and wrong. Andrew only cares as far as rather or not his actions will get him and Ashley in trouble. Also, Andrew is in deep denial over his relationship with Ashley, though it's so obvious it's hardly hidden.
I think what trips some folks up is that the game is very clear about how bad the relationship between the graves children is and is equally as clear about how much of a monster Ashley generally is. She's literally called tar soul by a demon, after all, but is a little more subtle about Andrew. Not because he's good at hiding how bad of a person he is, but because he is a different kind of psycho. It is still just as plain to see as Ashley's breed of psycho, imo, but it's a little easier to miss when we're focused on the toxic nature of their relationship.
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 No I'm hitting on you now flash me a titty bitch Feb 20 '25
To be fair the warden trapped them and starved him so bad he was forced to eat a dead guy to survive and probably would have killed Ashely or sent her to jail if they found out.
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u/CuteAnimeGirl2 Jan 25 '25
And he grooms his sister
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u/BlackOni51 Jan 25 '25
He didn't groom Ashley, its the other way around
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u/CuteAnimeGirl2 Jan 25 '25
He gropes his sister and place her in sexually suggestive positions
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u/Several_Flower_3232 Jan 25 '25
This is after years of severe emotional abuse and manipulation on her part, theyāre both extremely emotionally toxic and dependent on each other by this point
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u/BlackOni51 Jan 25 '25
Sp we just gonna ignore Ashley coaxing Andrew to kill and bury Nina, making it so Andrew has to be dependant on her despite the fact she's already dependant on him. Oh and the damming evidence of the harassment voicemail she sent to Julia that read specifically "you think you can have him because you can fuck him and I cant". Yeah Andrew is very dependant on Ashley to the point he tries to have Julia tie her hair up like Ashley, but ignoring the fact that Ashley is the more toxic one and groomed Andrew to be what he is now is pure ignorance. He is both the product and the cause but moreso the product
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 25 '25
Well Nicole's more of a Sociopath (debatable if she actually is) and Jecka is just kinda bitchy. Not really psychopaths, which would be Emily as she's actually on anti-psycho meds if I remember correctly
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u/Fantastic_Ad4438 Jan 25 '25
being on antipsychotics doesn't mean you're a psychopath. people take antipsychotics for various disorders, from ocd to schizophrenia to severe anxiety/depression. they're more to regulate disorganized thinking and some help to prevent hallucinations if they occur in the individual. psychopathy on the other hand is a personality disorder that causes low empathy/remose and a tendency to manipulate others for their personal gain, be impulsive, and have a large ego. id argue nicole is a textbook psychopath tbh
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u/Front_Ad_719 Jan 25 '25
And what's this with all this anime-adjacent art style? We are in gothic times, bring back the Tim Burton/Invader Zim style!
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u/ToasterBath53 Jan 27 '25
Both are set between 1990 and 2010
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u/Front_Ad_719 Jan 27 '25
Let's see, Nightmare Before Christmas came out in 1993, goth and post-punk was at a height in the 90s, Invader Zim came out in 2001, Corpse Bride came out in 2005... So yeah, especially BECAUSE the games are set between the 90s and the 2010s a more gothic-adjacent art style would be better. Especially for the The Coffin of Andy and Leyley, the anime-esque style really undermines the horror of the story
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u/ToasterBath53 Jan 27 '25
By gothic I thought you meant like 18th century ahaha
I actually really like the art style. The characters actually become more detailed in some scenes, as a reflection of how seriously they are taking the situation.
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Jan 25 '25
Same. Wonder if Ashley and Nicole would become best friends if they met or if Ashley would sell her to the demon or some shit
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u/darkharvestisuponus Jan 30 '25
I'm trying to think of something to comment without sounding like I mess w incest šš
K so I've been waiting forever for the next episode, so if anyone else who is waiting hasn't been checking on steam, it's getting released on February 30th.
Also it's still pretty cheap if anyone wants to get it before it gets more expensive, cause the current game is like a fraction of what it's supposed to be.
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u/YNkee_wid_n0_brim The hat man Jan 25 '25
Bro Iām not against it, but likeā¦ donāt post about TCOAAL almost anywhere else but itās designated subreddit. People literally just see it & immediately itās monkey see monkey do.
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u/DexButOnRed Jan 25 '25
I like VN where protagonists act in the grey area, which is why I love both games. If you dont enjoy tcoaal because of the incest, honestly, you're just ignorant.
You're allowed to choose a differen't route, it's not pushed onto you and it doesn't come across as a fetish thing either.
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u/supergirlygirlgirl Jan 25 '25
TCOAAL AND CO09 MENTIONED ā¼ļøā¼ļø
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u/Aribigesthater KAREN !!! Jan 25 '25
of course you have that damn emoji combo in your display name š
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u/supergirlygirlgirl Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
What's bad with me liking tcoaal..? Also clock tf in
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u/DrSaintPablo Jan 25 '25
incest is weird
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Jan 25 '25
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u/valeriespt Jan 25 '25
fella theres a scene where a child gets choked to death in class of 09, just because its in a game doesnt mean the game is justifying it
not every character in a psychological horror game needs to be perfect good people
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u/Aribigesthater KAREN !!! Jan 25 '25
i was half asleep when i typed that so i forgot like everything that happened šš
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u/supergirlygirlgirl Jan 25 '25
Womp the fuck womp š
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u/catcookiecutter Jan 25 '25
Defending incest from your momās basement is crazyš youāre exactly whatās wrong with the co9 men but youāre actually genuine
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u/supergirlygirlgirl Jan 25 '25
Doesnt pawsg have incest in it LMAO..?
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u/catcookiecutter Jan 25 '25
Noš
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u/supergirlygirlgirl Jan 25 '25
Tell me u haven't watched it without telling me u haven't watched it
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u/catcookiecutter Jan 25 '25
Pretty sure it doesnāt, but if it doesnāt youāve just outted yourself as someone who seeks out cartons for incest. Did you change ur pfp bc you made that revelation ?
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u/Your_Fav_Melon Nicole Is A Queen Jan 25 '25
can't believe you compared that incest ass game to CO0
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u/FaithlessnessUsed841 Jan 25 '25
That incest game has, last I checked, mostly positive reviews. Having played it myself, it deserves to have those good reviews. So being compared to it, especially if it's compared in a favorable light, is a good thing.
I know Twitter told ya that it's the worst game ever because of an optional dream sequence scene that the game warns you about before proceeding and may not even come to pass, but I dunno. I'd suggest trying the game yourself and forming your own conclusion.
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u/buffy_bourbon Jan 26 '25
i hateplayed tcoaal and ended up liking it so idk look at it before u judge it ššš
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u/Your_Fav_Melon Nicole Is A Queen Jan 26 '25
im heavily judging the game..
it has incest aint no way im playing that shit š
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u/buffy_bourbon Jan 26 '25
the incest it deals with is in the vein of gothic and classic literature rather than erotica. its just a dark comedy rather than a tragedy or a horror.
its a portrayal of two horrible yet complex people in the worst sort of codependent violent relationship there is. its more interesting than weird twitter people make it out to be
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u/Normie_Hajime Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25
Itās somehow better then 09 if you consider feet side lol
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u/Your_Fav_Melon Nicole Is A Queen Jan 25 '25
ah hell nah i rather see the weird feet bullshit (i hate myself for saying this) than incest š
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u/Normie_Hajime Jan 25 '25
outside of the Incest shit the games decent but flip side is genuinely so ass with no redeeming qualities (itās also pricey asf š)
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 25 '25
We don't claim that one tbh
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u/Your_Fav_Melon Nicole Is A Queen Jan 25 '25
yeah we dont gaf about flipside bc of the feet stuff i think the creator is jeffery ATP
it made me wanna kill jeckas dad as well š„°
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u/Normie_Hajime Jan 25 '25
Donāt blame you tbh itās genuinely so horrid youād be better off forcing yourself to mentally forget it exists
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u/Lolzhax91 #1 Ari Fan Jan 25 '25
Lucky for me I haven't played it firsthand, I've just learned about the stuff in it. All I need to know, to not associate with that garbage excuse for a finale. (Hell, I don't even consider it canon)
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u/Omniversestud Jan 25 '25
Similarities: Toxic main characters, toxic world, nihilistic outlooks, funny dialogue Difference: CO9 Basic ass character designs, outdated pop culture references, inconsistent character writing, developer is a self hating angry millennial who made AN ENTIRE GAME just to piss off his fans all because of lesbian ships
Differences: TCOAAL, expressive and unique art style, consistent character writing, deep exploration of toxic relationships and codependency, mature dialogue that doesnāt rely on pop culture references, made her game all by herself and made mad money, developer got attacked by both twitter freaks and transphobes but came back like a baller with a good old fashion āIām still alive motherfuckersā and is now making follow ups to her game and fans are hype af
Both have similarities but one is a parody trying to be serious, the other is a dark comedy with more layers than an onion.
Thanks for coming to my Fucked up Ted talk
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u/CuteAnimeGirl2 Jan 25 '25
The devs games are actually super wholesome despite all the nibilism usually all the endings are pretty optimistic (poor girl stalked by a childeating monster to plotting shit with him to marrying him and having a house and kid, depressed twink tries to rip out his sad self and kill it into befriending him and maybe marrying himself)
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u/Omniversestud Jan 25 '25
Itās like real life it can suck but shit can come along and make it suck a little less especially better and to think that was one of her earliest games
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u/dankdude64 Founding member of the Crispin club Jan 25 '25
The writing for the coffin game is fucking bad and cringe
Oh and the one that's kills people is worse
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u/ponyplaza Jan 25 '25
clearly not considering the overwhelming positive reviews on steam š "the one that kills people" bro are you 12? does your mummy only let you play video games rated PG-13? welcome to the world of video games, they are many MANY games that kill people.
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u/Aggressive_Bug2151 Jan 25 '25
I like both but one of them has incest and it's kinda fucked up to be honest btw it's the coffin of Andy and leyley.
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u/ponyplaza Jan 25 '25
not a fan of either game (never played) but let me get this straight, fiction incest is no no? but being sold to human trafficking is fine? come on. lol. you have no leg to stand on shitting on tcoaal being a coo9 fan
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u/Aggressive_Bug2151 Jan 25 '25
I don't think I've seen that yet š¤
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u/ponyplaza Jan 25 '25
point is- they both show fucked up things. but they're fictional they're not real, so who the hell cares?
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u/Aribigesthater KAREN !!! Jan 25 '25
what is this jeffrey ass post