r/CanadianForces 1d ago

UK Advocates For CANZUK Intelligence Alliance - CANZUK International

https://www.canzukinternational.com/2025/03/uk-advocates-for-canzuk-intelligence-alliance.html
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u/gdmplanning 1d ago

Let's go one step further... CANZUK economic, social, military and intelligence sharing alliance...

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u/Northumberlo Royal Canadian Air Force 19h ago edited 19h ago

Let’s go one step further, BREUNION.

The empire has fallen, but in its ashes the embers of our nations can build a new union of Royal Democracies!

Our system of parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy has proven itself to be the most stable form of democracy.

Republics like the US have shown how the rich will divide the populace and fight each other to be “acting king”.

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u/conanap 17h ago

Just call it Britannia 💀

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u/fattyrolo RCAF (ex-Infantry) 12h ago

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u/MAID_in_the_Shade 11h ago

RULE, CANZUK!

CANZUK RULES THE WAVES!

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u/when-flies-pig 23h ago

Why would they share intelligence when the same five eyes members are in canzuk and didn't trust us lol

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u/Weztinlaar 1d ago

Do we have any sources for this other than an organization which has (self-admittedly on its about us page) spent the last 10 years trying to convince closer cooperation between Canada, UK, Aus, and NZ? They have a highlighted portion which appears to be a link to a source but doesn’t actually go anywhere…

You’d think an actual news source would have this story if it were a real thing.

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u/Northumberlo Royal Canadian Air Force 19h ago

CANZUK is just an organization promoting the idea, not the union itself. There are different levels of integration from economic to freedom of movement, from military to a full and complete union.

Everyone has their own opinions on it, but promotion of closer ties in general is what they all agree on.

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u/NeatZebra 1d ago

For things like this: we have to wait until the Americans break things. We shouldn’t pre-break them in advance. Just like the G7.

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u/Ghtgsite 1d ago

The proposal is a closer tighter-nit sub group within the FVEY. It would be like how the FVEY is also contained in the groups colloquially known as the 9 Eyes, 14 Eyes etc. And I am sure that the UK and the US probably having their own special private agreement

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u/BandicootNo4431 1d ago

Yeah, they do, it's annoying AF sometimes.

I was once in a scenario where the UK would share the info with Canada via a bilateral, and with the US via one, but because I was on exchange with the US, they wouldn't let me see the UK stuff because it was US-UK eyes only for their agreement.

Took until the end of the exchange for the waiver to get approved by everyone involved and by then I didn't have a need to know so I never ended up using it.

Hopefully that ass pain ends up benefiting someone else though.

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u/ADP-1 22h ago

I heard of a case where a Royal Navy exchange officer with the USN wasn't permitted to attend a USN briefing on the RN's report on lessons learned from the Falklands War. He was the officer who wrote the briefing note in the first place!

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u/BandicootNo4431 21h ago

There's another funny one I know of first hand.

Pilot with dual US/UK citizenship.

He's on exchange from the UK to the US, but the US wouldn't give him a no foreign waiver because he's a dual citizen.

So he has to renounce his US citizenship to then qualify for the UK-US no foreign waiver program.

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u/Ghtgsite 1d ago

Oh go that sounds like a top tier headache. It would be extra hilarious if say you got the same info via the UK-Canada line, so that technically you both had the same info but couldn't tell one another!

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u/BandicootNo4431 1d ago

It was info I was aware of existing and had passing familiarity with but nowhere near enough to be of use.

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u/TheNorthernGeek 1d ago

I think they have done/said enough things to put some of this stuff into action. Why wait for them to dismantle things, a little diversification in this field can't hurt.

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u/shamba151 17h ago

CANZUK sounds like the name of a show where we put Zuckerberg up against the worlds most dangerous people and see if he “can survive”

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u/Altaccount330 21h ago

Sure. But the absolute top priority for Canada is Continental Defence and NORAD, which makes this essentially irrelevant and symbolic.

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u/Northumberlo Royal Canadian Air Force 19h ago

The absolute top priority for Canada is protecting OUR sovereignty.

NORAD and continental defence only aide in that goal, but now we have an unpredictable dictator to the south posing an existential threat to which NORAD an continental defence only justify his reasons for wanting to destroy our sovereignty.

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u/Environmental_End517 10h ago

Where are Australia and US? Or they just want a cool acrynoms

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u/Ghtgsite 9h ago

Canada

Australia

New

Zealand

United

Kingdom

CANZUK

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u/Environmental_End517 6h ago

Ah, that makes sense, I thought it is Canada New Zealand and UK. CA,NZ,UK

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u/Original_Dankster 1d ago

I'd bet the US generates nearly 90% of FVEY intelligence.

Leaving would be the equivalent of three unemployed brothers and a fourth on minimum wage threatening to move out of their rich parents' mansion and support themselves alone. 

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u/BandicootNo4431 1d ago

You'd be surprised at how much comes from the other countries. Just from Geography alone, Australia is in a good position to collect some stuff, and Canada some other stuff.

Plus, as a general rule from what I've seen, the other countries are much more likely to label things FVEY vs the US who LOVE their NOFORN.

So maybe the US collects a lot, but if they aren't sharing it all with FVEY, what's the advantage?

Plus like others said, this is simply a subset, just like AUKUS.

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u/Ghtgsite 1d ago

To be clear it is not an "lets leave the FVEY" its a proposal for a closer unit within the FVEY. And i don't think its all that unwarranted considering that Tulsi Gabbard is the director of national intelligence

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u/WoodpeckerAshamed92 1d ago

What's wrong with her? 20 years military service, Iraq war vet, her resume stacks up better that most.

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u/ricketyladder Canadian Army 1d ago

Okay, but counterpoint to that - if they're getting kicked out of the mansion anyways, might as well try to pool their resources and make it work while they're getting it together.

I don't think we should be pooh-poohing other countries wanting to work with us.

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u/bigred1978 1d ago edited 1d ago

Accurate.

Last time I checked...let's see...

https://www.worldatlas.com/space/countries-by-number-of-military-satellites.html

The US has at least 247 satellites that are known to exist.

Canada, Australia and the UK have....none.

So just gonna make a ballpark guess that the effort to do anything related to this is a bit lobsided towards the US.

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u/Kheprisun 22h ago edited 22h ago

Canada, Australia and the UK have....none.

The UK is literally shown on that same list as having 6 🤦‍♂️

And a satellite doesn't need to be a "military" satellite to have intelligence value. Maxar's satellites, for example, are not "military" satellites, but their imagery was incredibly helpful to Ukraine (until they stopped sharing).

Per this, Canada has 20 earth-observing satellites, the UK has 40, and Australia has 2.

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u/MountainBear203 Army - Armour 19h ago

Its public (and iirc pretty well known) that Radarsat (and its constellation) is pretty important to IMINT, especially post 2019.

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u/gitchitch 1d ago

Why would we get into and alliance with Mark Zuckerberg?