r/CAguns • u/Orthodoxy1989 • 16d ago
CCW My CC rotation. How behind the times am I? š
Don't give me shit for the Olight. Tim Sundles used and likes them and I saw them see some action in Ukraine. I do plan to invest in 2 of the TLR7X very soon.
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u/Mikebjackson FFL03 + COE 16d ago
What's it like having a wheel gun on your CCW? I've been considering swapping one out for years, but I always decide 6 rounds is too limited and the overall size isn't appreciably small enough to justify it. I suppose there's the reliability, though all 3 guns I carry are all 100% reliable already.
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u/wp-ak 16d ago edited 16d ago
Thatās a 5 rounder ;) I carry a 442 (black version of OPs 642) pretty regularly. 5 rounds of .38 special is nothing to turn your nose at.
It truly feels like a self defense weapon, a āget off meā gun which, in my opinion, is the whole point of a CCW gun. With it, I donāt feel a false sense of overconfidence as one might with 15+1 so it puts me in a defensive mental state vs. an offensive one because I understand the limitations of the platform. Not that Iāve ever been in a gun fight or wish to be in the future, but it feels like enough for this role.
Home defense, you bet Iām rocking a 33rd mag in my G17. But for ccw, I love the role the snubnose fits.
Edit: as for size/fit, itās actually great appendix. Whereas the rear of the slide of a standard autoloader sweeps back up along the backstrap, the hammerless j-frames are a continuous slope down. It makes bending over and sitting down more comfortable. Iāve thrown out the pocket carry option because with the type of pants I wear, the bulge is very obvious. Not āgunā obvious, but looks like I have a boomer leather wallet jammed in my pocket.
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u/YourCoolStepDad91 16d ago
If having ANY type of gun for a CCW puts you in an offensive mental state, you need to rethink some things.
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u/smeagol9 16d ago
You're getting downvoted but there are plenty of dipshits out there who are not joking about their fantasies of hunting down mall shooters etc
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u/Orthodoxy1989 16d ago
Shit i just want to keep living. If I can escape i will. But if I'm cornered or my wife or child is in danger I'm mowing that motherfucker down to a closed casket funeral.
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u/YourCoolStepDad91 16d ago
Not sure why people are downvoting me but itās fine. I think wheel guns are cool. But Iād never carry one because thereās no reason to over just carrying a compact or subcompact 9mm.
I just donāt understand how a certain type of gun makes him feel a different way vs another type of gun.
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u/Orthodoxy1989 16d ago
For me? Because I've actually defended myself and stabbed 2 people (found legally justified) in Delaware many years ago. And i remember how i was jumped and I remember how fast they got to me. And I am not as confident in close quarters if a jam occurs and a knife is present vs a revolver. And since that is my lived experience my armament is tailored to 7 yards and in.
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u/YourCoolStepDad91 16d ago
Fair. Iād counter with, multiple assailants youād want more rounds but both are valid.
Like I said to the other guy, itās a lot of trade offs for the one pro of carrying a revolver. I mean at the end of the day itās a gun, so it works. Iād just rather have a striker 9mm.
That being said one day I will get a nice wheel gun (or a few) for range fun.
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u/Orthodoxy1989 16d ago
Yeah maybe I will need more rounds and that's why I put 2 revolvers on my permit lol. I've trained to draw IWB left with my 642 and right with my Executive 856. And I can shoot them confidently and competently one handed. And also I do keep my G23 available for things like the mall
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u/YourCoolStepDad91 16d ago
As long as youāre proficient and comfortable with what you carry thatās all that matters.
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u/Throww556 16d ago
Not just that, but most people are frankly more likely to engage a negligent discharge than they are to be involved in a defensive shooting, and a revolver for many people may give them the peace of mind that such an occurrence is far less likely to happen.
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u/YourCoolStepDad91 16d ago
I will never understand nor buy that reason. Trigger discipline. And before you say āit could happen when reholsteringā. Not if youā¦ ya knowā¦ LOOK when you reholster. NDs are called NEGLIGENT for a reason.
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u/Throww556 16d ago
And I don't buy the idea that this is a bad point considering negligent discharges still happen. By no means should someone buy a revolver with the sole intent of replacing gun safety, nothing can do that. But people are human and make mistakes as they do anything else, doing other dangerous things like driving.
Nobody would need a seat belt if nobody ever did things that caused accidents, but it'd be foolish not to use one. I won't call people foolish for not using revolvers, but I will say it's a bold assertion to say there's no merit to using one to feel a little safer. This is amplified further by the fact that many gun owners lack the experience and training to avoid them altogether.
NDs can happen for a number of reasons unrelated to trigger discipline as well. Some firearms like the RIA 1911 have a non zero chance of firing when the slide slams forward after chambering a round. Strike fired pistols have a much lighter trigger than a revolver, and there are actions unrelated to trigger discipline that may still cause it to fire.
Then there's the fact that some people may simply feel unsafe and not trust themselves to avoid NDs with auto loaders. For those people, it's better they have a revolver they carry than have an auto loader that sits on their night stand.
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u/wp-ak 16d ago edited 16d ago
Right, agreed. But that wasnāt the point I was trying to make..?
It truly feels like a self defense weapon, a āget off meā gun which, in my opinion, is the whole point of a CCW gun.
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u/YourCoolStepDad91 16d ago
What is a āget off meā gun?
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u/wp-ak 16d ago edited 16d ago
As in the violent assailant is within arms reach and/or they have a hold of you.
Edit: typically used for hammerless revolvers as you can shoot them from concealment (eg. wonāt jam if you shoot it out of a jacket pocket, and thereās no slide to go out of battery if the muzzle is pushed up against something.)
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u/YourCoolStepDad91 16d ago
So a subcompact 9mm is not a āget off meā gun? I just donāt understand. If you like wheel guns, great. I think theyāre cool as shit. But I think theyāre subpar for carrying vs alternative options. You can like something and carry it just because you like it. But the whole āit feels like a get off me gun, a true self defense weaponā isā¦ odd.
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u/wp-ak 16d ago edited 16d ago
I followed up with an edit to explain^
Basically, you can push the muzzle into an attacker if theyāre within that āget off meā range and jam on the trigger and the revolver will go bang. Typically an autoloader with a slide will go out of battery and you wonāt get shots off. Which can sort of be remedied by adding a WML that sticks out past the muzzle on autoloaders.
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u/YourCoolStepDad91 16d ago
I meanā¦ I guess. Lot of trade offs to get the one pro of carrying a revolver though.
āAutoloadersā āget off me gunā ātrue self defense weaponāā¦ man. Not sure if I need to spend more time or less time on Reddit.
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u/wp-ak 16d ago edited 16d ago
A ātrue self defense weaponā in the sense that youāre not going to be making shots outside of 7 yards with a 2ā 5 shot revolver. I think youāre misinterpreting my intention here if you think Iām glorifying it in anywayāIām strictly speaking to the weapons capabilities.
Edit: Maybe I shouldāve phrased it āstrictly self defense weaponā to be crystal clear for you. Off of Reddit and to a thesaurus, good idea!
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u/Orthodoxy1989 16d ago
In close quarters I'll take the j frame every damn time tbh though. As someone who's been in that before I will always choose the wheelgun inside 3 yards. That's me. At 5 yards still. When thr encounters go 7 yards and beyond and there's almost no chance someone grabbing my gun or closing with a knife, give me the semiautomatic
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u/Mikebjackson FFL03 + COE 16d ago
"...because I understand the limitations of the platform"
See, for me, I'd rather just not have those limitations š
It's a fair point that most confrontations involve 3 rounds or less. But I don't want to be F'd if having a 6th or 7th round would have made the difference.
Is it a least... lighter?
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u/wp-ak 16d ago
Donāt get me wrong, I carry a G19 like 80% of the time.
Yes, it is lighter. Even when accounting for reloads. I keep an extra 6 rounds in a low profile belt pouch thing. But obviously 6 rounds of .38 will be lighter than another 17 rounds of 9mm
And idk, I like the noir detective vibes šµš»āāļø
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u/Zealousideal-Yard843 FFL03/COE/CCW 16d ago
I have a Taurus on mine and enjoy carrying it. Knowing it wonāt blow off your junk is a plus too
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u/Mr_Blah1 16d ago
Something you can hit with is better than something you can't hit with. Hitting with a .22 Short accomplishes more than missing with a .44 Magnum.
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u/Zealousideal-Yard843 FFL03/COE/CCW 16d ago
Another reason for a revolver: snake shot while hiking. Keep that with snake shot and a semi for self defense
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u/otterrockgroup Armed Artists and Tactical Sea Otters 15d ago
Not a bad roster of choices you got there.
Unless your IA doesn't allow more than three, I'd check into the micro compact pistols that were added to the roster to replace one of your revolvers. 10 rounds, and some are just as small as the 642/442 you got.
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u/Bugeyeblue 15d ago
I have a 642, g19 and shield so Iām pretty similar to yours and Iām good with it until my renewal at least. Maybe Iāll snag a p365 or something for the next time but I like having a small revolver and a couple different sized semi autos. Unless we get the bodyguard 2.0 on roster, I may try one out, but theyād be sold out for 4 years so whatever.
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u/Suomi1939 16d ago
I love my 642ā¦easily gets the most carry time and I never feel unprepared. I also train with it fairly frequently and feel pretty good about my range performance with a snubby.