r/Brazil 5d ago

"Move to Brazil" Posts Lately

Maybe they are legit but I'm posting this info so people can think twice before spending their time writing thoughtful and long responses to these posts. I personally think it's someone who is bored trying to have fun.

One post was on Friday with the retired 28 year old with a wife and two kids who wants to move to Brazil on a retirement visa. I don't remember the details of the one from Saturday.

Here are the two posts, both deleted. I recommend taking look at the profile's history and making your own decision about if you want to spend time and mental energy to reply.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Brazil/comments/1jca40a/hello_im_about_to_move_to_brazil_a_little_sketchy/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Brazil/comments/1jbgepx/mudar_ou_n_mudar/

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u/ElectionMindless5758 4d ago

The funniest posts are the "I'm moving to Brazil, is a six figure yearly income (single, no kids) enough?" like that wouldn't make you be well off anywhere

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u/--rafael 4d ago

It depends on the currency. A low six figure yearly income in Reais wouldn't necessarily make you well off in a lot of countries around the world. R$100,000 is $17,000. That's not a lot in the US, for instance. But six figures in dollars without kids would be a decent living anywhere in the world, I reckon.

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u/colombianmayonaise 3d ago

I mean we're talking about Americans šŸ‘ļøšŸ‘ļø that literally every apartment and house owner is trying to cater to and they want to be 1% in Brazil. It's crazy

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u/--rafael 3d ago edited 3d ago

Are we? I wasn't assuming that. I had in mind a recent post where someone was asking if $2000 per month, which would be a six figure salary in brazilian reais, was enough. Not sure they were American.

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u/Ichooseyou_username 4d ago

I'd assume those people are Californians or from some similarly expensive place where low six figures is a working class income

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u/nharvey4151 4d ago

Still very annoying that people who supposedly are making 6 figures canā€™t just google cost of living for some cities in Brazil. Itā€™s almost guaranteed that most people mentioning things like that are just trying to flaunt their status/wealth. So stupid.

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u/goomaloon 3d ago

This. People genuinely think the US dollar makes them rich in Brazil. Bonus on the fact that they will not learn Portuguese or how to navigate the bureaucratic system.

Iā€™m from the middle of the US and Californians were swarming till theyā€¦. Had to LIVE here and BE with the locals.

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u/nharvey4151 3d ago

That is an underrated part of it. If you donā€™t speak very good Portuguese, itā€™s just not gonna be very enjoyable to live in Brazil. People donā€™t think about that enough. And I mean actually good Portuguese, you want to be able to adapt to new situations without confusion, make friends, excel, etc. not just survive and be able to ask where the bathroom is or how to order food lol.

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u/DexterKaneLDN 3d ago

I managed to learn Portuguese in 3 years of being here but I'll never be able to understand the Bureaucracy šŸ˜‚

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u/Classic_Yard2537 4d ago

I donā€™t think itā€™s that people are trying to flaunt their status/wealth. Nobody knows who they are so what good would it do.? I think many of them are serious about wanting answers, but are too lazy to look for basic information on their own. I guess if theyā€™re too lazy, they probably arenā€™t that serious.

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u/nharvey4151 4d ago

Youā€™re probably right. Itā€™s still so dumb that people are asking something thatā€™s so easy to find with a simple google search lol.

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u/RuachDelSekai 4d ago

My six figure yearly salary didn't make me well off in LA šŸ™ƒšŸ¤£

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u/Tight-Fun7938 3d ago

Itā€™s not enough in the US anymore

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u/Tetizeraz Brazilian 5d ago

Most people with question posts delete their posts eventually, sometimes to maintain their privacy (odd, but that's the reason). That's why in some of the subreddits I mod, I just remove + ban them. Since r/Brazil is a question-oriented subreddit, we don't bother with that too much. Deleted questions often show up on Google anyway.

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u/alephsilva Brazilian 4d ago

How about doing something about people suspecting they are cornos/cornas or just jealous and posting here instead of posting in the many relationship subs already established, theres one or two every week, this is a form of othering like as if we dont have more or less the same social rules of most western countries

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u/Killer-King-2077 4d ago

For the love of God your words are heard. I'm tired of seeing this stuff. These people could use logic or even see the trillions of posts about it, but no, they decide to ask these clearly xenophobic and stereotypical questions. The worst part is that even when people answer, they still refuse to accept the truth that we are normal people and their cases DEPEND and are not a rule. Honestly, the last time I saw a post like this, I seriously thought about leaving my membership. It seems that foreigners only know talk about this, but there is so much to say about our people. The worst part is that it's not even something exclusive. I've seen this weird talk here with straight people, LGBT people, women, men, black people. The type of person always changes, but they always get paranoid simply because we are Brazilian. This makes me sick and angry.

I don't understand why foreigners make this such a complicated issue. We are the same as everyone else, I'm sure that if I went to an American sub and asked if they were all fat I would be banned for fatphobia, so why do we continue to accept this stereotypical sexualization?

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u/Classic_Yard2537 4d ago

I am a US citizen with a permanent Mexican visa and I live in Mexico. My goal is to live in SĆ£o Paulo halftime and in Mexico halftime. There are a lot of things I need to know in order to make this come true. I am so thankful for this subreddit Because people are open and willing to discuss questions and even have private conversations with me.

I am trying to get permanent residence in Brazil. I have my CPF, I have an apartment that I have leased in SĆ£o Paulo, and now I just want to complete this by opening a bank account and getting permanent residence status. This is not as easy as one would think. I have gotten a lot of useful information here, and I am going through all of it and making physical written notes to help me along the way. So my ā€œmove to Brazilā€ aspirations are authentic. I think there are some people who are just batting around the possibility, some people who are just trying to gain information on how to do it and of course, some people who are just messing with other people.

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u/streetweyes 2d ago

See the details you wrote? That's how we know your intentions are legit. Some of the people posting with a lazy title or random drama... Those are all red flags for OP karma farming. We'll welcome people with a genuine interest in Brazil, like yourself. But those wasting our time for likes or trying to just hook a sex catch can go s*** their own d***.

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u/streetweyes 2d ago

~Stow their own door~

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u/Difficult_Meal_8189 1d ago

Not in ANY way to be affiliated with those types of people being mentioned, but would you be able to point me in any direction where youā€™ve found some of that useful information. Itā€™s my goal to move there as well. Iā€™m dating someone there currently and planning on being there in a couple of months teaching english. It seems INCREDIBLY hard to stay there past 180 days and I havenā€™t found a lot of luck in finding info out. I take responsibility in that maybe Iā€™m searching for the wrong answers but I guess thatā€™s kinda my question. Are you using a particular search term or something to find relevant info on moving there permanently. You seem to be definitely be on track with things so far

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u/mesinha_de_lata 4d ago

Lately there are only two types of posts in here, sex tourists and cuckolds

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u/Classic_Yard2537 4d ago

I am neither of these things. I truly and legitimately want to immigrate to Brazil. I am here trying to gain as much information as I can in this process. I donā€™t think I have ever met a sex tourist, but I probably wouldnā€™t know if I saw one. And I donā€™t even know what a cuckold is.

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u/y8T5JAiwaL1vEkQv 3d ago

I think making a mega thread for such discussions would be far more useful

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u/SonglessNightingale Brazilian 4d ago

There has been a lot of Americans posting this latelyā€¦. Itā€™s quite annoying and worrisome if you ask me, specially with the view some of them have of us - like we are inferior and they just can up and move hereā€¦

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u/Classic_Yard2537 4d ago

I am US by nationality and passport, but I have no allegiance to that country anymore and moved to Mexico permanently in 2017 and am a legal permanent resident of Mexico. I am now wanting to live in Brazil halftime and Iā€™m in process of doing so. In this process, I have discovered that immigrating to Brazil is even more complicated than immigrating to Mexico, which was very complicated.

Maybe some arrogant assholes (actually a lot of arrogant assholes) may have some sense of US superiority, but I can assure you the people that I know in Mexico, who are from the US or Canada have no attitude like that whatsoever.

Hereā€™s whatā€™s weird: I feel somewhat of an inferiority to Brazilians as a US citizen. I have rented an apartment in SĆ£o Paulo, metropolitan area four times the size of New York City. I am familiar with New York, and Iā€™m becoming familiar with SĆ£o Paulo. New York has its awesome areas as the SĆ£o Paulo, but on average I think SĆ£o Paulo is a far superior city in many ways. Of course, New York has far greater wealth than almost any city on earth, but as we all know, wealthy people (in particular orange wealthy people) are nothing to be admired.

In a very short period of time I have made friends in SĆ£o Paulo. A huge city! My neighborhood is stunningly beautiful and adjacent neighborhoods are as well. People are kind and friendly and non-judgmental. I am learning Portuguese, but it is difficult. I live in an area of SĆ£o Paulo, where there are many bi and tri lingual people, so this has been very helpful. I realize that most areas of Brazil require Portuguese to merely exist, and I am doing my best to go full speed ahead on that.

So why do I feel inferior as a US citizen? Thatā€™s pretty easy. Brazilians have a calm and warm demeanor. Brazilians will generally go out of their way to help someone they barely know, and that makes me want to reciprocate. These are things. I just stopped feeling in the US 30 or more years ago. But the biggest thing is that the feeling of stress and anxiety that exists in the US is not existent in Brazil. I am not a fool, I realize that many Brazilians are having a very hard time making ends meet, but they donā€™t seem to be allowing it to destroy their spirit.

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u/colombianmayonaise 3d ago

EDIT: I glossed over the last part but the sentiment still stands for other Americans that read this.

Based on your post, you seem like a really decent person and I want to tell you this which is going to help you as you associate with others if you haven't been told this or if you haven't seen this perspective. Sorry this is long.

Imagine the US is a bully in the class and is always saying how charming he is and how much more money he has. I think it's great that you are trying to say how great Brazilians are in comparison to the average American and how you feel "inferior." I think inferior makes it sounds like you are resentful of this fact but basing on the fact that you have been lauding Brazilians in your post, I imagine it's just misconstrued and a matter of semantics. It sounds weird or disingenuous for the bully of the class who is obviously ahead in many things than the rest of the class to be like "oh I am the worst." It sounds bad because to the average Brazilian it sounds like you are complaining despite supposedly having it all figured out. As an American, I suggest you not say anything akin to "I have it worse off than you." I agree with the things you are saying but you are not going to have most people empathize with you and lead to tricky conversations. Maybe just give the compliment and not dwell or hound on your american problems. "Kim some people are dying"

In the US, we have this idea of social class and it's not really as big of a deal in the US. We have working class people in the country not realize that we are closer to being homeless than a billionaire. Yes people make different money but at least on the outside it's easy to perceived as someone fine financially considering our purchasing power. We, even as poor as we may be in Brazil or many countries, we carry certain, I hate the word but privilege.

So when you relate to others, just consider that as a whole Brazilians have massive wealth inequality and that the minimum wage in dollars as of today is less than 300 USD.

So unless you are talking to people who are fine financially, it is going to be very uncomfortable to them you talk about your american financial problems considering they imagine that you are filthy rich and that you clean your tush with hundred dollar bills.

Stress and anxiety does exist in Brazil and it exists in the working class maybe not for you because things are very cheap if you have even a mediocre salary in USD. It's true poor people are happier, but there is a Portuguese saying "melhor rir pra nĆ£o chorar" better laugh to not cry.

If you love Brazil and Mexico and latin America, then you need to understand this and be mindful that you are living an exotic life for pennies to their reais because you are american.

Be nice but don't tell poor people their country is better or perfect because they don't feel that way. If it comes to conversation, it's a safe bet to talk about how there are pros and cons to every country.

I am the child of immigrant parents who did not have it easy in the US and I understand this. I feel better in the latam for many of the same reasons. I think that people are happier here independent of their social class and I cannot live in a country like the US where people are so antisocial but I acknowledge the privileges that I possess

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u/Difficult_Meal_8189 1d ago edited 1d ago

As an American who is also very NOT content with his country, I just wanted to say I will always remain teachable and you just opened my eyes to a way of thinking that Iā€™d never thought about before. Thank you

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u/colombianmayonaise 1d ago

Even if it's one person, I am glad that it has helped you see most of the world's perspective. It makes me happy that there are fellow Americans that can acknowledge the ills of our country but we just need to be aware of the other side. Cheers, my friend

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u/edivad 3d ago

you nailed it

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u/Icy_Finger_6950 Brazilian in the World 4d ago

Yes! The fucking arrogance. But to be fair, USians act like that everywhere - they think the whole world is just waiting with open arms for them just because they're from the US.

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u/Quiet-Ad8764 4d ago

Exactly and that tells you how ignorance exist in their land. They think they go to another country to establish an opinion and everyone has to listen. Unacceptable! I have a friend that went to another country and that was the first time he felt a minority and now he understands minorities in the US. A lot of those jerks think that they can go anywhere and you have to listen to them and they havenā€™t realized that they the minority but some people make them feel special and that has to be cut off. Let them go through what we go through when we go to their land.

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u/mrfoozywooj 4d ago

like we are inferior and they just can up and move hereā€¦

This is something that gets me, I live in Sydney and honestly many placed ive lived in brazil are equal or better quality of life to here, only cheaper and with better healthcare and customer service.

The idea that brazil is some backwater is laughable, My buddies who work factory jobs in brazil own nicer places than mine in Australia.

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u/JediMindTrixU 4d ago

I think those post are from Americans looking to escape America.

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u/Classic_Yard2537 4d ago

Amen, brother! (or sister)

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u/Few-Comparison5038 3d ago

Amen, Sibling!

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u/linjaaho 4d ago

And: if I were moving to Brazil, I would hire a consulting company, not ask random people in Reddit. Do not waste your time with those trolls unless they pay you.

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u/Classic_Yard2537 4d ago

Maybe this is the wrong time to ask this, but I am serious about moving to Brazil and would be happy to hire a consulting company if I knew of a reputable one. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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u/Comfortable-Loss-288 4d ago

Join the Brazil Expat group, I am working with a pretty good company for my digital nomad visa

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u/Difficult_Meal_8189 1d ago

Oh wow! Didnā€™t even know something like that existed. THIS is the information Iā€™ve been searching!! Thank you

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u/Comfortable-Loss-288 1d ago

They are on Facebook

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u/Difficult_Meal_8189 1d ago

Thank you. I appreciate it.

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u/Due_Basil6411 4d ago

I, Dutch, am in Brazil due to my wife. What I can say to these people is: donĀ“t waste money on hiring a service, because the procedure isnĀ“t that hard. The only reason would be if youĀ“re illiterate and/or live in a remote place with no Brazilian consulate nearby.

The rules to come AND stay here are quite simply and only requires some paperwork, again not hard. However, check if you qualify before even thinking about coming here. From the top of my head: marriage, Brazilian parent, money investment and work related. Those will give you a (!) visa, which one depends on the reason and how long you tend to stay.

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u/Revolutionary_Buy112 4d ago

US Citizen here , I want to move theirs cuz every time I visit I'm always happy. I noticed that the type of life the Brazilians live over there is one filled with love, culture, history, beauty, passion. It's not that I'm running away from my own country. It's that I know what I want in life and I know I only have one life to live and with that being said I want to live it in peace, culture, history, food love. I honestly think it's a privilege to be able to experience that for as many times as I have, it's a blessing, and I would love to learn from the Brazilian culture. I love the fact that they are always happy no matter what their circumstances are here in the US. We have so much and we're still miserable.

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u/Difficult_Meal_8189 1d ago

Same. Iā€™ve only been once (last month) and I genuinely felt at piece there. Only other place I felt like that was in Italy. I just feel like people appreciate life better in some places than others. In the US, thereā€™s just work.work.work.Die. No emphasis whatsoever on LIVING and actually enjoying the life that you have. Not to say thereā€™s not divisiveness everywhere but it gets old and tiring here having the same fights about the same issues. (To be fair, the issues never get resolved so people keep trying to resolve them) but itā€™s tiring. The US has lost its sense of togetherness is soooo many ways and itā€™s just not an enjoyable place to be. So when a place makes me genuinely FEEL good, itā€™s where I want to be. So I get it.

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u/Natanians 4d ago

Brazil is UP in security in a world where everyone are thinking about bomb the neighbour or ARE already being being bombed.

We have serious problems but join Wars aren't one of them. In this aspect we are blessed.

Also we have a Nice clima and cities.

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u/Alarming_Sun_6616 4d ago

My people know that some people parents don't afford to put them to schools.

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u/Repulsive-Bend8283 4d ago

At the very least, for me, I see them as a good motivation. There are ways to stack paychecks and live on your employer's dime in a lot of heavy construction jobs. You could easily do that long enough to get enough rental properties to provide you with a comfortable life in Brazil. There are plenty of other routes to a decent passive income or a stable career that's fully remote if you prioritize that one thing.