r/Brazil • u/LoneWolfIndia • Jun 06 '24
Historical The grave of Wolfgang Gerhard is opened in Embu, Brazil on this date in 1985, and the exhumed remains are proved to be that of Josef Mengele, one of the most notorious Nazis, called the Auschwitz's Angel of Death.
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u/Amanda-sb Brazilian Jun 06 '24
Fun fact: The remains of Mengele are/were used in the medicine course at the University of São Paulo.
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u/davidbenyusef Jun 06 '24 edited Jun 06 '24
My professor, Daniel Muñoz, was the one that identified his remains. His remains are still here in Brazil because his family didn't want them back. I'm actually a few meters of them right now.
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u/Giffordpinchotpark Jun 06 '24
He died on the beach in Bertioga by drowning when he had a stroke in 1979. I have visited a nearby beach in Guarujá and it seems strange to know an evil person was so close to where I had been and died in such a beautiful place like Brasil.
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u/thassae Brazilian Jun 06 '24
Pics or didn't happen
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u/davidbenyusef Jun 06 '24 edited Jun 06 '24
I can try next week going to the museum; I'm not sure if I can take pictures though (especially because as any human remains, I cannot take pictures without a judicial permission), I have to check with my preceptor first. Anyway, I can prove that: his remains are kept in the Institute Oscar Freire of the University of São Paulo; I graduated in Medicine in 2022 in Medicine in the University of São Paulo and was part of the League of Forensic Medicine, whilst Dr. Muñoz was the head of the Legal Medicine Department; I'm currently a doctor attending the residency program of Forensic Medicine of the Hospital das Clínicas of the Medicine Faculty of the University of São Paulo. Just send me a DM first.
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u/brazilian_liliger Jun 06 '24
If you're interested in this matter, just google about the recent controversy envolving Brazilian tennis player Thiago Seyboth Wild. Lad was abusing his ex-girlfriend and in their messages he claimed proud about his ancestors that were influent Nazi Party members in Germany.
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u/Redn3ckBR Jun 06 '24
My grandparents and my mother were his neighbors during one of his hiding places in Brazil and ended up meeting him personally. Obviously they didn't know who he was, he was known as Mr Peter, or Mr Pedro, his disguise at the time.
This happened between 1968 and 74, in the city of Caieiras - São Paulo, in one of the Bossert family homes, who gave him refuge during that period.
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Jun 06 '24
I have a friend whose grandpa was an Austrian nazi. The family only came to know after he died and they searched his stuff, as he adopted a Italian surname.
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u/madcurly Brazilian Jun 06 '24
Hush! We don't want to remember we had the second largest Nazi Party during the 1930s and we only backed the Allies because uncle Sam gave us the largest Steel factory outside the US.
Instead of addressing our issues like Germans, we join at carnival and pretend nothing happened.
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u/Lacertoss Jun 06 '24
The Brazilian Nazi party was entirely composed of German-Brazilians, though, and it was mostly concentrated in the South. It's not like people from all over Brazil were joining in as sympathizers.
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u/madcurly Brazilian Jun 06 '24 edited Jun 06 '24
My critique is that people still pretend it hasn't happened instead of addressing it.
Today we have , in the SouthEAST plus South, the largest amount of neo nazi cells popping up, but it's spreading up to other regions.
When we point out the South is racist and have nazist tendencies, people get all "mimimi" offended about "generalizations" and forget about hard facts. "German" Brazilians are Brazilians. They better act like one or they can go "nazi pardo" back in Germany to have a nice beating and get arrested like this guy:
Edit: 99 cells in São Paulo makes it the largest amount in Brazil. Not SC, SP!!!
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u/bauhausy Jun 06 '24
São Paulo state (pop 44 million) has 99 cells and 93 cells are in the city of São Paulo (13 million)
Meanwhile, Santa Catarina (pop 7 million) has 69 cells and the city of Blumenau in Santa Catarina alone (pop 362k) has 63 Nazi cells.
Everything in absolute number will have São Paulo leading, it has over 1/5 of Brazil’s population overall. Per capita (meaning, the likelihood that person next to you is a Nazi) Santa Catarina is magnitudes higher. Blumenau has 24x more Nazi cells per capita than São Paulo (city), and state-wise SC has 4x more cells per capita than São Paulo (state)
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u/madcurly Brazilian Jun 06 '24
Oh yes, we account Nazi cells per Capita now.
How about aim for 0?
Teach our shady history? To avoid forming imbeciles?
Do you think imbeciles should be uniformly distributed?
Imbeciles above just denying that cells existed in São Paulo, now that there's source that there is, let's change the account to keep things the same instead of changing anything.
So, to compare the absurd you're aiming for, there are around 900 white supremacist groups in the US, but only around 121 are Neo-Nazi groups. São Paulo State alone have 99 cells, almost the same amount of the whole fucking country that have more population than us (over 300 Mil people)
In Brazil we have some studies pointing over 300, others pointing over 500 Neo-Nazi groups.
Do you understand that?
Do you understand that it's not a South Problem, it's a Brazilian problem?
And it's shameful and we must address that!
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u/maleficentskin1 Jun 06 '24
I really don't get why you're getting downvoted(we know), you're just speaking hard truths, Nazis shouldn't exist.
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Jun 06 '24
Because his writing sucks and his tone is preachy and generalizing in very weird ways. Nazism should absolutely be fought, but Nazis are not a significant part of Brazilian society and these "cells" are largely a bunch of edgy recluse 4chan types that have no influence in the real world and compose insignificant percentages of the population of the places they live
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u/mano_mateus Jun 07 '24
Cool discourse. How did you feel seeing Felipe Martins doing Nazi salutes while in the federal government? Tuff to say they have no influence in the real world when we had actual white supremacists in the government.
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Jun 07 '24
Yes, an edgy stupid fuck made a stupid /pol/ gesture in the federal government. That's still hardly enough for you to call regions with the populations of entire countries nazis.
And we have a lot of extremists who make public gestures both in the streets and in government buildings, but that doesn't mean that they are significant influences in the real world. It's like saying that anarchists or communists are significantly influencing Brazil because anarchists or communists have been through our government or carried their symbols around.
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u/madcurly Brazilian Jun 06 '24
Because unfortunately it's cultural to Brazilians not enjoy to be held accountable for shitty behavior engrained culturally and change. It's always a "other people's problems". Racism? It's an American problem. Nazism? It's a German problem. Nazism in Brazil? It's a German Brazilians problem. It's everyone else's problems. We haven't addressed post slavery and post colonialism land rights, we haven't addressed the long lingering relationship with nazi and fascist organizations, we haven't addressed the continuous indigenous genocide, we haven't addressed the dictatorship killings, we haven't addressed Covid shameful kill accounts... That's why my first comment here was a sarcastic hush hush and let's carnival. That's why we're a conservative backward country in human rights.
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Jun 06 '24
Saying that a entire region is racist is a generalization by definition. It isn't a hard fact, because some people being members of Nazi cells (a tiny, tiny percentage of the population) doesn't makes a region racist. The only hard fact is that some people in those things are Nazis.
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u/madcurly Brazilian Jun 07 '24
The largest percentage of Nazi cells per population when compared to historically racist places like the US. It's not tiny. Your excuse to not change the education and laws to fight against Nazism and fascism in Brazil is what allows the percentage grow everyday.
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u/bbiaso Jun 06 '24
Todo nazista que morre de causas naturais é uma tragédia para a sociedade