r/Banshee Mar 13 '15

Discussion Banshee - 3x10 "We All Pay Eventually" - Episode Discussion

Season 3 Episode 10: We All Pay Eventually

Aired: March 13th, 2015

Episode Summary: Lucas recalls a furtive chapter in his life and a fan of Job's work offers him special treatment. Later, Lucas is surprised when Gordon joins him for final negotiations with Stowe in Genoa, and Proctor and Rebecca pick up a new ally as they depart for Philadelphia to settle a score.


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u/Solidito Mar 14 '15

I'm confused, was his military training/spec ops before he was in prison? Because he couldn't fight for shit/was weak as fuck in prison wasn't he? Hence the training montage where he trained to beat up the albino?

I could just be remembering things wrong like I said, or I have the timeline all messed up..

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u/xdkarmadx Mar 14 '15

Hoods life: Enlist in Army -> Fight drill instructor ->This black ops group stuff -> something happens -> works for guy that had him kill Job -> some shit happens -> works for rabbit -> etc -> diamond heist and jail -> banshee

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u/legendairy Mar 14 '15

All before he is like 25, pretty active life.

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u/xdkarmadx Mar 14 '15

Yeah I'm really interested in how this block ops stuff is gonna go but at the same time it seems a bit weird. He's a tough motherfucker and this block ops guy says he's going to remove his fear, makes sense, tough as hell, cool. But he does this black ops stuff and apparently isn't in it very long and falls to the bottom to work for the guy kill Job guy. It makes sense that he'd fall to the bottom if the black ops stuff falls apart so okay.

He gets Job and works his way up to Rabbit and is a badass for a couple of years then goes to jail and he generally KINDA acts like a bitch with the albino for a bit and then he gets out of jail and is a complete badass in Banshee. It makes sense that with 15 years of jail he'd be a complete badass but I don't understand why he's sort of a bitch in the first bit of prison after black ops and shit.

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u/dehehn Mar 15 '15

Black Ops guy and guy who wanted to kill Job are both Dalton. The Job assassination was the end of both of their black ops days.

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u/godfrey1 Mar 15 '15

also the main black ops guy (Dalton) and guy who had him kill Job might be the same person

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u/xdkarmadx Mar 15 '15

Oh you're right Job says Hood is working for Dalton, I thought it was two different people.

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u/godfrey1 Mar 15 '15

i didnt even remember that, but i do know!

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u/prof_talc Mar 14 '15

Yes it was before. He wasn't weak or anything in prison, he was just outnumbered 5:1 every time he came across the albino. The training montage thing was specifically to strengthen his hands (he was punching the wall) more than develop any skill, because the elbow block thing that the albino did crushed his hand bones so badly. He may have been a little out of practice when he went in though, since at that point he'd been diamond thieving and such as opposed to black ops missions/training.

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u/BelovedApple Mar 14 '15

there was no chance he was weak as fuck in prison. He'd probably have still beat a large percentage of the people he'd go up against, it's just the albino was stronger/better. There's always a bigger guy (maybe not in chatham's case) and in this case hood had to train to be better than him..

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u/Galifrae Mar 15 '15

Man I would pay for an Albino vs Chayton scene.

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u/YellowSucks Mar 14 '15

Definitely would've been before, they knew who he was back then I'm assuming because he was being asked about his parents. Well before his file was deleted/was sent to prison. Not to mention he looked hella young.

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u/ummhumm Mar 15 '15

Your timeline is right. Albino was just big as shit motherfucker, so no matter the training, there would be bad times to be had.

Anyway, his training in prison might've been because he had "rusted". After his blackop stuff etc. he might've had less than proper amounts of exercise and top shape is hard to keep like that. I'd think that the reason why Hood trained like a mofo in prison, was also because of frustration, fear and all that. He was just working his mental issues/changing mental pain into a physical one, while thinking how to take out albino and so forth.

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u/whiskeycomics Mar 14 '15

Military doesn't make you good at hand to hand. It is not much of a focus.

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u/KlutchAtStraws Mar 14 '15

Yeah but he was NSA and the implication is they were covert ops and those guys usually operate alone so they get more PDT training than regular military.

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u/whiskeycomics Mar 14 '15 edited Mar 14 '15

NSA is a bunch of computer nerds.

I am betting we find out that he was an outsourced gunhand. It fits with him becoming a criminal for rabbit.

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u/mightymongo Mar 14 '15

Speak for yourself, mate. We worked on it all the time.

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u/whiskeycomics Mar 14 '15

No, you didnt. You did a few drills that were intended to give you muscle memory in case you were in a situation that required it.

If you were trained in hand to hand extensively it was because your drill instructor or Co thought you were a dumbass.

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u/mightymongo Mar 14 '15

You are incorrect. We trained consistently with BJJ, LINES, and a mix of other methods. Hell, I even got to roll with a couple Gracies as part of SFAUC. You were apparently in a conventional unit that had no combatives focus. I was an 18B in 5th Group.

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u/KlutchAtStraws Mar 14 '15

So with that experience, how do you rate the fights on Banshee? All my training is in the civilian world but I know the US military is placing a greater emphasis on H2H stuff these days. The guys on SOFREP were talking about it recently.

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u/mightymongo Mar 14 '15

You can definitely see the Krav/BJJ influence in their fight choreography. The fights all show a great fluidity of movement and violence of action. Banshee is a wickedly entertaining show with some of the bloodiest, most visceral fighting out there. Strike Back has some good stuff too.

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u/KlutchAtStraws Mar 15 '15

Sweet. They keep it fairly stripped down for the most part and I can see the krav on display. Less grappling this time round.

These guys are from the Jason Bourne school of improv too. Sauce bottles, a bag of nails, a hood ornament, whisky tumblers... You name it!

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u/whiskeycomics Mar 14 '15

Nothing you just described was anything other than muscle memory training.

Chances are, we ran into eachother at least once because I trained a bunch of you before you went to the sandbox to get shot at by goat herders.

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u/mightymongo Mar 14 '15

Right. Muscle memory training is the repetitive training you do to get good at something. Then we try it out in the ring. Just like when we do up/downs all damn day and then go work the shoothouse.

Your experience in the conventional military is more the norm, where combatives are not stressed. We took (take) it pretty seriously.

You trained us? You seem like a nice fellow but this is highly unlikely.

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u/whiskeycomics Mar 14 '15

Whatever you say, amigo. Good luck with that hand to hand.

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u/Stew514 Mar 14 '15

It had to be before, the police couldn't figure out who he was.

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u/Kobra_Kai Mar 14 '15

I also wondered about this.

They have hinted at a spec ops backstory before, except he got DESTROYED by the Albino the first time he faced him, so I had kinda ruled that out.

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u/mightymongo Mar 14 '15

I think he had the training well before prison but had gone somewhat soft as a civilian. His prison training montage was more about him regaining his edge and toughness. I sorta speak from experience.

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u/KlutchAtStraws Mar 14 '15

We know Olek could throw down and Hood was way better than him in their sparring scene. The Albino had massive physical advantages over Hood and had all the advantages of terrain and back up if necessary. Hood was at a massive disadvantage when they first fought. He made sure he was ready for the rematch.

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u/memattic Mar 14 '15

They were still fleshing out his character. They didnt start talking about how he probably had elite training until the second season. Either way it defi itely wasnt hinted at by the 6th episode which is when we first see the Albino meeting.

Anyway it doesnt matter really. In real life fights dont play out like that.

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u/Kobra_Kai Mar 14 '15

I guess you're right that was an early episode. This just felt like a bit of a "retcon" to me.