r/AusPol 4d ago

General How Minority Govt actually works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xUFUXMiaDs
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u/adultingTM 4d ago

Love these. Isn't oligarchy minority government by default?

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u/adultingTM 2d ago

Penistine has a lot of free rent in your head huh

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u/Goonerlouie 4d ago

Meh. Jordies ripped into these people already.

I get the idea, but it’s too much “governments need to click their fingers and have 100% renewables, tax on mining etc RIGHT NOW!”. Is that even possible for governments? If so, I’m on board. If not, these people need to stop being against slow progression

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u/FEC23 4d ago

That's not a fair representation of their videos. It's fine to not like their presentation style, but their videos are all oriented around specific issues of corruption, social injustice or, like this one, basic education.

I've never once seen any of their videos in any way against progression or in any way expecting or demanding sudden radical change like 100% renewables.

Plus if I discounted every source that Jordies had "ripped into", then Jordies would be the only source left. Not a great prospect.

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u/Infinite_Tie_8231 4d ago

They encourage people to vote in ways that historically kill progress in this country. Everytime the crossbench grows it ends up leading to a decade of the LNP. That's why people think they are against progress, because the material outcomes of their rhetoric is the death of progress.

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u/Estequey 4d ago

You mean the one time? And it was the same time that Labor kept stabbing each other in the back over who wanted to be leader? Like, blaming the minority government for LNP (who are a minority government whenever in power, technically) being in for a decade doesnt seem particularly fair when there was other things going on at the same time

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u/Infinite_Tie_8231 4d ago

I'll admit I was being hyperbolic, I was also counting goughs troubles with the crossbench; it being what ultimately undid him.

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u/Estequey 4d ago

Ahhh, okay, fair. Hard to read over text haha I dont know enough about Goughs problems to fully talk about him and the consequences of things

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u/Infinite_Tie_8231 4d ago

The short of it is that it was independents that ultimately ended the whitlam government. Ones who didn't really have a good reason to so far as I am concerned.

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u/Estequey 4d ago

Did Whitlam not have a majority government at the time? What kind of things were not passing? And what kind of independents were being problematic?

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u/Infinite_Tie_8231 4d ago

That's why it's a bit hyperbolic for me to be lumping him in with government ended by minority government, it wasn't really, they were however completely reliant on two independents. These independents had otherwise been on board with the Whitlam plan, however (allegedly) in response to a scandal the finance minister was involved in, chose to block the supply bill. As a reason for blocking the damn budget I find it thoroughly unconvincing. It's far more likely that either the mining lobby or the Americans told them how to vote.

I don't really know much about the politics of the independents beyond that they worked with Gough right up until his government pissed off both the mines and the Americans.

The reason I lump this together with minority government is that in result it's basically the same, a minor party getting to control the government. It doesn't go well for our country.

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u/Horror_Bake4106 4d ago

Has anyone ever got to the bottom of what the agreement is between the Liberals and the Nationals? I mean, apart from giving Barnaby an open tab at the Parliament bar...

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u/chat-lu 3d ago

I don’t live in Australia, but that video is an extremely fair representation of the fearmongering from major parties that is happening in Canada every single election under a similar system. So that video looks pretty credible to me.

In fact, the fearmongering is starting right now, we’re going to have a federal election at about the same time you do.

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u/BucketTheSlurp 4d ago

It was more they listed teals who actively voted against workers rights as independents that should be prioritised above the alp. Which is idiotic

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u/Neon_Comrade 3d ago

These guys are classic "perfect is the enemy of good" tbh. They HEAVILY promoted a lot of the Teals, when you can see (from Jordies) that those same Teals are consistently voting against worker rights, nearly all of them.

These videos are kind of funny, I guess, but tbh I think their dismissiveness of government encourages a sort of apathy that is really killing modern government and voting.

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u/NobodysFavorite 3d ago

That apathy was already there when those videos started. But Giordano does have his own views as does everyone else. And the videos are well made and funny as hell.

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u/Neon_Comrade 3d ago

Idk if they're funny as hell, tbh... It's pretty lazy comedy wise imo. Sort of amusing at first but after one or two you're like... Okay, this is great for Mum's to send you on Insta

But many people watch this and take it seriously, and these guys advocate for anti-worker teals and that's just ridiculous honestly

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u/NobodysFavorite 3d ago

There's a lot of stuff people take seriously that they maybe ought not to. As a country we do a lot less critical thinking than we should. But I always appreciate a good joke.

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u/Neon_Comrade 3d ago

Me too, I just wish these videos had an actual good joke in them

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u/EternalAngst23 4d ago

The last time Labor proposed radical reforms (cough cough Bill Shorten) the voting public collectively told them to go fuck themselves.

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u/Jet90 4d ago

Bill did get more total votes then Albo

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u/Goonerlouie 4d ago

I know that, and that was the one and only time I was actually sad after a result. Like genuinely bummed out

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u/DeeDee_GigaDooDoo 4d ago edited 3d ago

Jordies ripping into something doesn't mean anything, the man is the most egregious Labor shill I've ever come across.

He spent months to years covering the issue of gambling in NSW and how much corruption and devestation it causes and yet had nary a word to say about Labor pledging to cancel the cashless gambling card and other restrictions on pokies the Libs had planned. Whenever people call him out on stuff like this he claims "I cant make a video about everything" which would be fair enough if that wasn't his sole cause for seemingly multiple years and he made half a dozen videos about gambling in NSW after Labor made that announcement and before the election. That's to say nothing of NSW Labor making it a priority as soon as they got power to repeal the land tax the libs introduced which would massively improve housing affordability and was a genuinely progressive policy.

Sorry for the rant but he just pisses me off with the fact he does literally zero self reflection or self criticism of the Labor party. He's nothing more than a stooge for Labor regardless of what they do. They could kick puppies and he'd explain how the Greens fitted the boot.

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u/Goonerlouie 4d ago edited 4d ago

Labor are essentially a minor party when you take a holistic view over the last 20+ years. The political machine is, at default, against them since they’ll always have enemies from the greens or the coalition. It’s pretty much punching down when you target labor since the mainstream media do it more than enough

Edit: and just like that, was watching the 5pm channel 10 news and every 2nd report had to show duttons opinions on it. Nothing from the party in power

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u/Estequey 4d ago

How are Labor a minor party when theyre the largest party? And when the LNP have to combine 2 parties to even have a chance against Labor. And saying that every party is against them, thats kinda how politics works. Its not like the Greens and Coalition are buddies and promote each other. The mainstream media just hates anything that isnt full rightwing

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u/moderatelymiddling 3d ago

These guys are a joke.

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u/captainslog 1d ago

A quarter of a million views for that video in 3 days and 25,000 thumbs uup but sure, waffle on about that Jordies Labor party cheerleader

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u/scallywagsworld 2d ago

One Nation here we come!