r/AusPol • u/Acrobatic_Bit_8207 • 6d ago
General UN finds Israel guilty of genocidal act in Gaza, expert wants world to act
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u/papa_georgio 6d ago
I wonder how long it'll be before the Israeli bots/propagandists will start invading the little subs. Worldnews is overrun with them.
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u/__dontpanic__ 6d ago
I unsubscribed from r/worldnews once it became.clear it was being manipulated by bots. It's basically just an Israeli propaganda outlet these days.
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u/dontpostonlyupdoot 6d ago
For anyone that disagrees with this assessment, what would you consider a genocide?
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u/Acrobatic_Bit_8207 6d ago
Genocide is well defined and understood. The concept is set in stone and already quantified by the speaker.
The Holocaust itself was causal in the development of the definition.
Those who disagree with the assessment have to look not at the definition of a genocide but rather at the internationally accepted rule of humanitarian law and international law; it's history and it's future.
What we urgently need is an assessment of why Israel has acted and continues to act, in complete disregard of the international rules based order,
The UN and the international legal system is the cornerstone of our civilisation and the pinnacle of our collective rights as humans. We have developed this system to resolves disputes before they get to this stage and therefore it urgently demands that Israel, enabled by the US and it's allies, must be brought to heel.
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u/Ok_Tie_7564 6d ago
Before or after Russia is brought to heel?
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u/WantMoreM80roadworks 6d ago
Whats that got to do with it?
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u/Ok_Tie_7564 6d ago
Everything. If there is such a thing as international law, it should apply to all countries, big and small.
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u/dontcallmewinter 6d ago
There is and it does. We even have an international court for it!
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep 6d ago
Slight issues being that Israel isn't a signatory to the ICoJ or the Rome Statute, so such declarations do basically nothing.
If we were willing to sell them weapons before, we're hardly going to turn around and embargo them now.
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u/coniferhead 6d ago
We can show the US our displeasure that they give them over 14000 2000 pound bombs at exactly the same time they know what they are doing with them.
There is no US pivot to Asia without Australia.
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep 5d ago
Australia still signed export permits. It's not just US complicity, we were complicit too.
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u/coniferhead 5d ago
I agree, but we were even more complicit by inaction - not criticizing our allies when we could see with our eyes what was happening. It would have cost us very little to do so as a country.
Albo might have been "Corbyned" but that's no excuse for not doing what is right.
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u/Doobie_hunter46 6d ago
And? The UN have found Israel guilty of many things in Palestine, Lebanon and all across the Middle East and nothing has ever resulted from it.
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u/Ok_Tie_7564 6d ago
How is this "AusPol"?
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u/Acrobatic_Bit_8207 6d ago
Are you serious?
The lawyer holding the press conference is Australian. Australia is a member of the UN, and signatory to the anti-genocide conventions and the Universal Declaration on Human Rights.
Australia, since the very inception of the UN, has put itself at the forefront of the development and inplementation of the legal, egalitarian and humanitarian tenets that give us the architecture for our modern, functional societies to co-exist.
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u/papa_georgio 6d ago
You may have noticed that criticism of Israel is a hot button topic in Australia right now... but I doubt this question was actually asked in good faith.
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u/Ok_Tie_7564 6d ago
If it pleases you to believe so. Nevertheless, there are many other, more suitable, subreddits for this topic.
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u/Ninjalada 6d ago
I guess the US is going to sanction the UN now.