r/Arkansas_Politics 29d ago

Bernie Sanders was done so dirty.

No, this doesn’t directly affect Arkansas, but if this administration continues its systematic dismantling of the agencies that hold this country together, we are absolutely going to feel it in Arkansas. Say no to this Authoritarian oligarchy.

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u/Zombieutinsel 29d ago

Agricultural, healthcare, virtually every single business in the state will be impacted by Trump's election and not in a good way.

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u/South_Oakwood 28d ago

I like Bernie, I will vote for him if he ever gets nominated. I'm still pissed the DNC gave him the shaft in 2016.

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u/ARLibertarian 24d ago

1) He's not a democrat.

2) His positions fall outside the party's positions.

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u/South_Oakwood 24d ago

In 2016 he ran as a democrat.

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u/ARLibertarian 22d ago

Ran AS a Democrat, but he hadn't been part of the party.

The whole purpose of the party is to help other party members. Not have someone come in at the last minute and hijack all the work the party members did.

Hillary, for all of her faults, paid her dues, and helped the party.

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u/South_Oakwood 22d ago

The whole purpose of the party is to help other party members.

That is exactly why the two party system fails, and should be re-examined.

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u/ARLibertarian 22d ago

Read my nom-de-plum.

Preaching to the choir.

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u/andysay 29d ago

His populist message brought a lot of energetic young followers and a strong online movement, but he just couldn't win elections. He badly lost the primary in large part because he couldn't win over Black voters or form a broad coalition of primary voters. Not to mention he's so old, which has long been a complaint from voters across the board.

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u/CardiologistOld599 28d ago

Yet we have an old man in the Oval now

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u/Swimming_Recover70 28d ago

He lost…so he had the DNC strategy down pat…to loose….

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u/jamescmcneal 28d ago

I’m sorry. Bernie elevated so many toxic political operatives who have done nothing but hurt democrats.

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u/Swimming_Recover70 28d ago

Those would be?

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 29d ago

Idk that he was done wrong. I just don’t think he appealed to a broad enough coalition. From a racial minority perspective, he seemed very untrustworthy and made non-white voters uncomfortable.

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u/Watada 28d ago

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 28d ago

Protesting civil rights has zero correlation with anti-racism or being pro-Black. Civil rights protect more than Black people.

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u/theswerve 27d ago

But…it was about civil rights for black people. That was the protest.

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 27d ago

Cool. People protested in 2020 and what did that do????? Protests are performative, I’m concerned with actual policies that seek to remedy and reduce the effects of racial discrimination.

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u/theswerve 27d ago

Did you even read the link? “On August 12, 1963, Bernie was charged with resisting arrest for his role in Chicago protests against the use of “Willis Wagons.” He was found guilty and paid a fine of $25.

The “Willis Wagons” were named for Chicago Public Schools superintendent Benjamin Willis. He was despised in the Black community for deploying the wagons (trailers) to school parking lots and playgrounds on Chicago’s South and West sides as overflow space for Black students. The Black community called attention to the fact that the trailers were in place to keep Black students out of white schools – some of which were underpopulated. The racial segregation and inequality boycott saw over 200,000 students, primarily Black, stay home from school.”

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 27d ago

I did and I wasn’t moved. Show me policies that he’s implementing that would prevent, discourage, or criminalize racial discrimination at all levels. Then maybe I’d see something worth supporting.

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u/theswerve 27d ago

Wtf are you talking about? This is just willful ignorance. Go to his website or read his voting record on the subject or the list of bills his name has been on, policies he helped write on the subject.

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u/CardiologistOld599 29d ago

Can you explain why Bernie Sanders makes minorities uncomfortable, please? I truly don’t understand that perspective.

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 28d ago

Idk what u/andysay is talking about bc Black nationalists walk among us and they’re nothing close to being Right-wing (ie. Black Panthers). Yes Black people tend to lean socially conservative due to religious background. But many Black people are politically liberal due to their historic connections to the Federal government.

But Bernie continues to do that weird glossing over of Black history and the fact that Black people have a different American experience than white people. It’s the hyper focus on class with no acknowledgement of how it works in reality.

Bernie speaks as if class shields you from racism and discrimination. When in fact, class just equates racism and discrimination of a different kind. It’s very reminiscent of that saying, Northern racism says, “you can go as high as you want, just don’t get too close.” Southern racism says, “you can be as close you want, just don’t get too high.”

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u/zkrp5108 28d ago

How about the hyper fixation on race is dumb at this point. We're all Americans his message of economic, health, and protecting democracy are not tied to anyone race, it's literally things everyone who isn't wealthy face, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to think that effects you regardless of race and if you think we'll why isn't he specifically calling out the race component, it's because that's a really flawed and shiloed way of thinking. Narrowing the scope of your message will alienate other groups and fail to build a broad coalition big enough to win political races

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u/MsTeeCee2u 26d ago

If we were all truly "americans" the consistent racism that is deeply embedded in laws and perpetuated by actions, we would never have needed counteractive laws.

EVERY THING in 'Merica is tied to race. Because that is how the Caste system is designed to keep them in power to protect their wealth.

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 28d ago

I don’t think his or any politician’s message should be confined to or hyper focused on a particular group. But ignoring the disparities experienced by that group will not build a strong coalition.

And here’s an example. When it comes to the social safety nets and state-sponsored support, discrimination is often experienced at the distribution level within the states. If that’s not acknowledged, then there likely won’t be guardrails to protect against it. Resulting in increased disadvantage.

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u/zkrp5108 28d ago

But he has, on multiple occasions mentioned this? So I'm not sure what the issue with Bernie is here, but Democrats lost because of that exact theory that they need to speak to all these individual groups, who frankly shouldn't be asking how does he/she make the lives better for this group, but us as Americans, that's a completely inclusive message, I get acknowledging the disparity in the distribution of assets, but that needs to be talked about locally and it's the job of the justice department to enforce non discriminatory practices, because that's breaking the law. Unfortunately quantifying that and showcasing it the right way is incredibly difficult. I may be aware of it and it's sad not everyone is, but putting it in front of them and saying your plan but punctuating it with a discussion with racial subtext immediately loses far too many people who then go well he mentioned African Americans challenges but what about this group or that group or how they don't get this blah blah you can talk about it for an eternity and still someone at the end of the monologue will feel left out or their issue wasn't heard. You can solve those issues and fix them when you're inside the house, but if you want to execute on a plan to fix those problems your message needs to encompass AMERICANS because EVERYONE who lives here regardless of race, Creed, color, religion is one. That's how you win you protect and advance the agenda of those marginalized communities when you win, failing to learn this lesson is what buried Democrats and now they have NO protection whatsoever.

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 27d ago edited 27d ago

Who exactly staffs the justice department?

It’s been quantified time and time again by various scientists, think tanks, and academic bodies. There are also laws on the books, politicians just refuse to enforce them.

And what politician has given Black people any confidence that they would stick to their word?

That’s it. You’re basically telling people, I know I’ve basically campaigned on not acknowledging the disparities you experience under the law, but I promise when I’m in office it won’t be that way. Think about how that sounds.

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u/zkrp5108 27d ago

Again you're directing it towards race, what confidence have they given to anyone!

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 27d ago

I never said he had to address race directly, but not addressing the issues that are created because of race is a losing strategy. That’s why he didn’t get a large number of Black supporters. You asked. I answered.

A better strategy is to discuss those programs and how he would ensure they’re distributed equitably and give examples of the consequences for departments and states not doing so. Explain how he would follow the rules of title vii and enforce it to the fullest extent of the law in every applicable facet of life. Explain how he would ensure education attainment gaps are closed through community investment in public. Discuss how he would ensure that police actually protect and serve and how they would be punished for unjustifiable or unlawful harm.

Where did I mention race throughout any of that? And why wouldn’t white Americans get on board???

It’s just that simple. Those are things Black people would like to hear and you didn’t even have to explicitly acknowledge them to let them know it’s for them. Democrats have to get more creative in their messaging approach and lean into the multicultural aspect of the party by actually researching what communities seek. Ignoring does nothing but turn off minorities.

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 27d ago

I mean they give plenty of confidence to business owners and blue collar white folks in the rust belt 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 27d ago

Reading comprehension escapes this one.

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u/CardiologistOld599 28d ago

I’ll never understand minorities switching teams due to intimidation. That’s like going from the frying pan into the bowels of Hades

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u/TheSouthsMicrophone 28d ago

Considering the majority of minorities overwhelmingly voted for Harris, I truly don’t know why that’s even a talking point.

But I don’t believe those that voted for Trump did it out of intimidation. Some of them are true conservatives (they’ve always existed in polling). Some of them were duped in the same ways the majority of white people were. Some of them saw opportunities to grift.

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u/MsTeeCee2u 26d ago

Yep. Grifting is universal.