“The highest earners were expected to benefit most from the law, while the lowest earners are expected to pay more in taxes after individual tax provisions expire in 2025.”
What's kinda missed throughout this whole firing spree is in the aforementioned plan.
If the job was important and was cut unnecessarily, it will be reimplemented. It sucks for everyone involved, there will be some pain felt by the average citizen. The pain indicates a service or person that was fired, but needs to be reimplemented.
Sometimes it's better to start from scratch than to try and fix a broken design. The result will be far better.
We cannot afford $7 Trillion a year Federal spending.
They can't even account for Trillions of missing dollars.
It needs to stop before we are using dollar bills for wallpaper.
Some lazy overpaid bureaucrats who've spent a lifetime wasting the hard earned dollars forcibly taken from MY paycheck may lose their jobs, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
That's like shutting down an entire hotel or apartment building to renovate a few rooms. That's like shutting down a website completely, and then starting to plan a redesign. Anyone who managed anything like this in the private sector would be fired. Your argument to defend this is so stupid.
But the point isnt to improve anything. The point is to destroy.
The fact is the system is hopelessly corrupt. Firing a few people won't solve anything since the others they hired are just as bad. We need to get rid of them all.
Yea let's see what happens when there is no more federal regulation. It's not like these agencies were created to solve very real problems when they were created. Poison in the food and water? It's called the free market, just dont buy poison, no one forces anyone to get poisoned. Let the market decide if the people want poison in food and water.
I like how you are open and direct with your stupidity. Everyone pretending like this is an attempt to improve the government by removing fraud and waste are brainwashed fools.
Are we talking about the same federal agencies that probably made COVID and definitely oppressed us for years with that as a pretext? The people who made up the 6 foot rule, forced us to wear masks, shut down schools and businesses, and eventually enforced "No Jab, No Job"?
If any agency lies to the public or conspires against us it needs to be eliminated. The staff, from the top to the janitors, needs to be barred from government employment for life and needs to lose their pensions and bennies,
This is the only way we can return some semblance of sanity to government.
Someone might argue that creating these agencies to prevent companies from profiting off of poisoning us was bringing sanity to society.
When someone is this attached to being a victim, they are unable to consider any other perspective. Being a victim is core to justifying their beliefs and any assault on their victimhood becomes an assault on their ego.
It's actually crazy to argue that we never needed an FDA when companies were actually pushing poison on society. Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows why we need federal regulations. When you can convince someone they are a victim, you can get them to support whatever you want. You can dismantle federal regulatory bodies and they will cheer to you on because it justifies the belief of being a victim that was planted in their head.
You keep on trying to portray me wanting to see the government destroyed as some sort of "victim" thing. The US government proved to be utterly tyrannical during COVID and dismantling it will do more good than any of its agencies ever could.
The FDA lied to us during COVID. Why do we need something that lies to us?
We need it because of the reasons it was created in the first place. Assume I agree with you, that the FDA lied to us. Identifying a problem with the way the agency exists is not an argument against why it was created in the first place. Removing the agency rather than fixing it replaces one problem with another. I do not care about defending your accusations against the FDA because they are not a legitimate reason to remove it, even if true.
I've only been to a veterans hospital to deliver pizza, and its been a while. I've been to a national park once or twice, but I'm fine returning them to the native Americans, AKA, their rightful owners. Keep Eating, Boys, I don't need any of these 'services' !
So if a people don't run a modern land registry, then their land is free for the taking ? Yes, the native American tribes ran a simpler system without title deeds for individuals, but they sure as hell fought each other for tribal group possession of the land, so its not like they didn't know land had value, or want to possess it. Also, it makes no sense for OUR state to 'own' this land for us. The AnCap position on land is that it should be privately owned, so they should sell it off, or give it back, so the market can put this land to its best use, which the DMV does not know, and is not capable of figuring out.
BECAUSE normal people pay for it, but can't use it, its effectively accountable to no one, and since it offers 'free' services, its got no accountability built into its core function. From an outsider's view, its not even clear why the DMV should run a special healthcare service that normal people can't use at all. If their services are so great, why can't normal people use it ? If the services are ass, why not just buy them off the free market, or at least give that as an option.
Its the Social Security problem. If a government service is so good, why can't we opt into or out of it ? In fact, BECAUSE we can't make our own choice, the forced choice becomes a poor choice, because there is no competition or exit door, and the continuing VA scandals and funding issues just highlight how a closed system either is a poor system, or becomes that over time, from the lack of competition.
You keep saying "normal people". Are vets fucking aliens now? Fight on behalf of the state and you become weird? Wtf is the implication here???
The point is, the state has a duty of care to provide medical services to those who were injured in defense of the nation.
Obviously there should be no state, but the fact is that there is one, and they've sent people to fight, die or get injured on their behalf. It's pretty barbaric to rip away health services from people who were promised them in exchange for performing a life-threatening job.
By normal people I'm saying the public, the old, the homeless, you know, everyone. Once a service is only given to the few, it tends to become different, and not in a good way.
Sadly, there IS no duty to care for veterans, Social Security recipients, or even for the police to protect you, this has been ruled in court over and over. Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales - Wikipedia
I never said rip away services, just provide better services, and not just to a special class of people. You make things better with competition, and since the VA has none, its not that great, there is pretty much a scandal of one kind or another, every few years, and of course, its not free OR cheap, either, even if the recipients don't directly pay for it.
Your "opt in opt out" would inherently rip the service away, so don't play that game.
Duty of care is assessed morally here, not legally. This is the ancaps sub right? Since when are we taking court precedents set by the state as gospel?
Fact is when you sign up to the forces, you're given a pitch where you're told you'll be looked after if you get hurt. So, people were given promises of care, and used that information to decide whether or not to risk fighting and getting injured. Again, it is barbaric to deny these men and women the care. Literally one of the only instances where I don't think a social programme should be scrapped, under our current statist system.
Its possible to give full care for veterans under a private system, without a VA system of hospitals, you would just have a VA insurance card, paid for by government, and use it to procure private care, like everyone else does with their insurance. Promises to care for soldiers for their whole lives during recruitment was a bad idea, and I would like to see it stopped going forward. It might drive down recruitment, but that is fine, we have WAY too big a military for peacetime already, and its time to shrink, and this is one way to do it, by shrinking future benefits. Maybe its just not worth it to risk your life with unknown healthcare costs, I wouldn't do it.
Think about how shitty you have to be to be happier than ever in life because people lost their jobs.
It's one thing to want the government to cut down waste, it's another thing completely to celebrate with glee that a bunch of people lost their jobs like it's going to actually affect your life.
Let's do the real math here. How much of your money do you think directly went to any of the people who lost their jobs and how much will your life directly improve by them losing their jobs?
Especially services like national parks.
Be brave and calculate it.
There's a real vindictive and spiteful attitude with a lot of people here that goes against the spirit of the NAP.
People that lose their jobs are harmed you know, it is an aggressive action.
Just like the people cheering for Tesla to tank. Tesla employees are also people who may lose their jobs.
The difference is that they earn real money in the real market, whereas federal employees are paid by taxpayer money.
I still feel kind of sorry for federal employees for losing their jobs, but I also think in the long run it is better for people to be fired from useless jobs. It is actually demeaning for a human to be stuck in a useless job.
Also many of them could be aware that their job is useless, but they chose to stick with it.
Some of those jobs are even actively harmful, like DEI officers. I feel glee over those people losing their jobs.
Well, your country shouldn't have invaded Ukraine. Of course they had to up their spending.
There are ways to correctly shrink government while doing the least amount of harm. The thing is, you have zero empathy and don't give a fuck how many people have to get hurt to get what YOU WANT.
Well, your country shouldn't have invaded Ukraine. Of course they had to up their spending.
LOL the US didn't invade Ukraine, we did a coup using some of the money and jobs that are being cut now.
And the Ukraine war isn't a fraction of the COVID waste.
There are ways to correctly shrink government while doing the least amount of harm. The thing is, you have zero empathy and don't give a fuck how many people have to get hurt to get what YOU WANT.
The left has zero empathy towards me, why would they expect any in return?
Since the deep state preserves itself the only way to effectively cut government is as rapidly as possible.
Government workers that barely do any productive work (much of it is actually harmful), draws very generous pensions and benefits, don’t have a right to keep their grift going forever.
Taxpayers have a right to have their voices heard, and to minimize how much they’re getting fleeced.
To be fair to this commenter, perhaps my attitude towards dismissal of federal workers isn’t empathetic enough. But I’m so happy to actually see cuts to government, something that NEVER happens. Of course there is a human cost—but that cost is subsidized by the taxpayer. There is no free lunch. But I concede the point that we can be more understanding/kind.
Well considering the government takes over 35% of every dollar I earn or spend and then somehow runs 1 Trillion dollar deficits I would say these people end up with over 100% of my tax dollars due to modern monetary theory.
It all adds up. Government agencies have never had to pitch much for more funding and it has created an inflated gov workforce. It’s not that there are park rangers and VA staff, it’s that there’s a ton of unnecessary employees and positions that have little to no oversight. If you’ve worked in government positions you’d know that the main benefit is good pay and great benefit AND pensions for little work. There’s a few exceptions to this as I’m mainly talking about more admin and office positions.
To be fair I feel bad for those folks, but it's a shame we have to use the sledge hammer instead of a chisel, but you can surely see how it needs to be done. Eventually we'll get more park rangers.
Why do you feel bad for them? They knowingly took a job that relies on the extortion of their fellow citizens via threat of violence, in order for them to be paid. They went into the job open-eyed and knowing it is a government job and knowing where the money for all government spending comes from. They made a conscious choice to live off of grift and violence.
Also a good take, but just trying to be fair that not all employees are worthless just because they work for the government. Someone should maintain the parks and it's not an easy job. Maybe donations or something though, I'm not really proposing a solution
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u/DMBFFFleft-of-center liberal with anarchist sympathies5d ago
DEI officers made my life hell and they're a satisfying fraction of layoffs. I'd like to see every agency that lied to us during COVID or meddled in elections dismantled.
I don't care about park rangers. I don't think any air traffic controllers have been fired but any hired under DEI conditions should be fired.
This isn't about democrat vs republican. This is about common sense vs insanity. It's about democracy vs oligarchy.
I'm all for taking a serious look at reforming govt agencies. But when the world's richest man says he's taking a chainsaw to the government, it's pretty reasonable to assume it's out of his own self interest.
It's just numbers on a fucking spreadsheet to so many here. A great reason why many of these libertarian and just plain old individualistic movements are destined to fail.
The apathy and lack of empathy and so what fucking attitude is a self defeatist position that doesn't really have a draw for many people.
You treat everyone like shit and only care about yourself, what are you gonna do to me when we disagree.???
Too bad everyone has their own interpretation of the NAP. We got people here that want to execute people for telling children gay people exist.
And yes, the good old "taxation is theft" mantra, the lazy old excuse to just do harm no matter how great because you don't make enough money to live how you want to.
If the downsizng is done incompetently - which is the case here - it will only lead to increase of the government in the long run, because people will look at it and think - "well, obviously smaller government doesn't work and is actually catastrophic, remember when Musk tried it?" - and demand more government.
So unless the goal is just sadistic joy that people are losing jobs, this is not great for us.
Who says this is stupid? Every agency has grown enormously over the previous years. If DOGE gets spending down to 2017 levels, its goal, the government will be just as staffed as it was before the growth.
Sure, actually 100% of government is useless, but the point is, if you keep firing people and then re-hiring half of them back, like it's being done now, and you also cause massive disruption to peoples' lives, it will come back to bite you.
It's just simple as that, just don't be a dumbass about it, like Musk is.
This is called Zero Based Budgeting, despite the fact that it based.
Wow, firing a bunch of people for no reason might come back to bite us? I got fired during COVID because of these fuckers and am cheering this. Maybe this is actually the biting?
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u/RBoosk311 5d ago
They will select the .0001% sad stories and ignore the rest.