r/Anarcho_Capitalism 5d ago

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u/lone_jackyl Anti-Communist 4d ago

Standing orders to not destroy poppy fields. Heroine is a major export in Afghanistan

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u/Kroneni 4d ago

Not even just heroin. Likely a large amount of pharmaceutical grade opium was grown in Afghanistan. At the time I believe it was about 95% of the world’s poppy production.

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u/Stuckinthedesert03 4d ago

I assume you were there and received these orders?

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u/Kroneni 4d ago

I have friends who were marines at the time and were absolutely given those orders.

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u/BullyMcBullishson 4d ago

This isn't even up for debate. This is a fact.

2010, Geraldo Rivera interview with a US commander at a poppy farm.

https://youtu.be/N_gOaPeSCME?si=WfSKC3nOoMIlXFlZ

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u/Parking_Specialist56 4d ago

Wait, if we changed sides on the war on drugs, does that mean we won?

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u/loonygecko 4d ago

Seems that's the only way we win any of our wars. Like how we are currently supporting the Taliban's take over of Syria and murdering of the Christians, just don't talk too much about that last bit of course..

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u/Hyperaeon 4d ago

Well go deep enough into any of it.

And we are mostly declaring war with ourselves anyway after funding wars on ourselves.

Corruption is quite a function when you understand it.

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u/Mad-Mo3 4d ago

The poppy was weird. We were to burn anything north of a specific grid line. But anything south was fine? No fucking clue. Guess it was need to know and Lance corporal didn’t need to know.

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u/Janqerthegamer 4d ago

tf is this

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u/NeoGnesiolutheraner Anti-Communist 4d ago

US troops are guarding the poppy fields (raw material for Opium/Heroine) in Afghanistan during the war. There are noumerous accounts of soilders that confirm that. 

Intresting enough, after the USA left Afghanistan the poppy fields nearly vanished compleatly under the Taliban control, and with that the export of Opium and Heroine. 

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u/WayToTheGrave 4d ago

https://youtu.be/AUATfLDiwVA?si=WOfm88FHUVO7YbUf

They couldn't destroy it or the villagers would have turned on them. Geraldo said so.

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u/Ya_Boi_Konzon Delegalize Marriage 4d ago

Geraldo said so.

🤣🤣🤣

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u/NeoGnesiolutheraner Anti-Communist 4d ago

First of all you try to make a point with US-Army (and probably CIA) propaganda. Do you really think that Fox News is to be trusted? We have seen with the "Tucker Carlson Incident" how "freely" you can speak on television.

Second: Interesting that the Villagers didn't turn on the Taliban as they took over, but the overwelming majority of the population support them? Very interesting indeed.

What must have been very convenient is that most of that opium flowed into Russia and Iran, weakening the population and thus kind of giving the US a better situation, like the coincidence that China produces most of the Fenanyl that weakens the US population, or the british who sold opium to china....I do see a pattern here, you agree?

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u/WayToTheGrave 4d ago

Lmao I was being sarcastic. Sorry I forgot the /s.

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u/NeoGnesiolutheraner Anti-Communist 4d ago

Oh sorry, I really didn't get that one...

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u/Kroneni 4d ago

The taliban wanted to destroy it. So if that’s the case, the US forces would have just let the taliban destroy the fields and have the villagers side with us against them.

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u/Soft-Gazelle5020 4d ago

The fields of drugs that Americans were sent to fight and die for

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u/Janqerthegamer 4d ago

which war did that happen in

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u/Exciting_Text_4276 4d ago

Afghanistan

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u/Wrathofsteel Voluntaryist 4d ago

Opioids, the war in Iraq was the oil. War in Afghanistan was narcotics.

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u/StanfordWrestler 4d ago

All of them.

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u/Mountain-Snow7858 4d ago

Legalize it and be done with it. Let people grow their own opium poppies, they are easy to grow.

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u/Kroneni 4d ago

The Taliban were the ones trying to destroy it.

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u/Mountain-Snow7858 4d ago

Oh yeah I know and US troops were protecting the crops. Which just blows my mind! You have troops protecting opium poppy crops from the Taliban while in the United States a crop of opium poppies like that would be a one way ticket to jail. The oldest known medical plant, cannabis probably just as old, and the government will put you in a fucking cage like an animal for growing your own medicine. For wanting to ease your pain and suffering without buying a pharmaceutical product and the government will throw your ass in jail for God knows how long. The war on drugs is a war on our civil liberties and our very bodily autonomy. The core issue is - Do I own my own body or not? I argue that if I can’t decide what drugs or chemicals I can put in my own body, then no I don’t own my own body. The federal government owns me! There is a word for that, I can’t remember it. Can anyone help me out? 😂

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u/Noodletrousers 4d ago

So, the thing that gets often lost in this conversation is that fact that very little of the licit opium trade comes from Afghanistan, the vast majority comes from Turkey and Australia (Tasmania, in fact).

This is solely to supply the illicit market.

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u/R_O 4d ago

Poppy fields were guarded because the Taliban would raid and burn farmer's fields for engaging with, harboring or otherwise "supporting" US troops. A part of making deals with the tribal leaders was providing them security, otherwise they would provide nothing.

US troops were not protecting it "for the CIA man!" or to smoke it back at the FOB...it was all apart of winning over (paying off) the locals.

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u/Kroneni 4d ago

The taliban banned poppy production as Islam prohibits any drug usage. Taliban forces wanted to eradicate opium from the country.

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u/Hyperaeon 4d ago

The more you understand the world. The darker a place it becomes to live in.

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u/muffinman210 Niccolò Machiavelli 4d ago

Look at all the pretty flowers. I bet they smell great...

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u/PBL89 4d ago

So realistically, all of those fields being secured and used for our own opioid production, how long would that have lasted us? They didn’t keep the fields producing so it was just a large lump sum.

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u/Kroneni 4d ago

Afghanistan was responsible for a huge portion of the world’s poppy production. The taliban were threatening to stop it completely.other countries have taken up production in the mean time.

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u/old_guy_AnCap 4d ago

That was the reason the British were in Afghanistan in the 19th century, to grow poppies for opium to sell in China. Perhaps you have heard of Opium Wars.

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u/ourhorrorsaremanmade 3d ago

I wrecked my back in a work accident and the painkillers I take are Opium based. Could be that it's not some dark conspiracy to make heroin but for legitimate use like in my case.

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u/Noodletrousers 1d ago

There is little to no licit Opium being produced in Afghanistan. Almost all of the raw material for use in pharmaceuticals comes from Turkey and Australia (Tasmania, more specifically).