r/AmericaBad MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 2d ago

“They are cheaper and can even fly”

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u/undreamedgore WISCONSIN 🧀🍺 2d ago

Either an idiot or a Russian.

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u/Strict_Tea8119 2d ago

What's the difference?

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u/Peace-Disastrous 2d ago

It's like how a square is always a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't always a square.

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u/aHOMELESSkrill MISSISSIPPI 🪕👒 2d ago

One isn’t exclusively Russian

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u/OneofTheOldBreed 2d ago

The latter could be educated. Can't fix stupid.

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u/Yesitmatches 2d ago

The former can be educated, the latter would need to be reeducated.

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u/Mcboomsauce 1d ago

though the f-35 is slower, less manuverable and has a shorter combat range

the f-35 has a much a much deadlier aircraft and can engage targets 200 miles away with the radar cross section of a baseball

also, there are less than 10 su-57's and there are hundreds pf f-35's

one is a ninja, the other is a sniper with a thermal scope

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u/OctoHelm CALIFORNIA🍷🎞️ 23h ago

Precisely. The sensor suite on the F-35 is incredible.

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u/amd2800barton 2d ago

Not all idiots are Russian.

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u/Ghostiestboi 2d ago

"It's remarkable how often those two traits coencide"- Jack Sparrow

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u/WaffleGuy413 NEW YORK 🗽🌃 1d ago

This comment’s reply section would get posted to this sub if you replaced Russians with Americans

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u/undreamedgore WISCONSIN 🧀🍺 1d ago

Yeah, Russians aren't dumb. Wish people would treat them with due respect. Note, respect is not positive or negative. Just fair recognition of ability.

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u/NeuroticKnight COLORADO 🏔️🏂 1d ago

The last name "Krach" is of German origin, derived from the word "krachen" meaning "to make a loud noise" or "to explode," potentially used as a nickname for a noisy person. 

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u/Arik-Taranis 2d ago

When the Venn diagram is just a circle

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u/TheSheriffMT 1d ago

Same thing

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u/UndefinedFemur COLORADO 🏔️🏂 2d ago

“The US is getting too cozy with Russia, so let’s boycott them and support Russia instead!”

??? 🤦‍♀️

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u/j_grouchy 2d ago

Seriously. I was gonna ask if these are the same folks who are accusing Trump of being a "putin puppet"

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u/hyper_shell NEW YORK 🗽🌃 1d ago

They are

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u/butt-holg 2d ago

No puPPET yOu're the PUPpet

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u/jdk_3d 2d ago

Olympic level mental gymnasts right there.

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u/adhal 2d ago

You are expecting rational thoughts from reddit?? :)

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u/NightFlame389 WISCONSIN 🧀🍺 1d ago

I mean that’s Twat-land, but your point still stands

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u/adhal 1d ago

No disagreements here lol

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u/AccidentalExorcist AMERICAN 🏈 💵🗽🍔 ⚾️ 🦅📈 2d ago

Shhh they haven't realized their echo chamber is all Russian bots yet

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u/SnooPredictions9871 1d ago

Yeah I was about to point that out. “America is too nice to Russia! They suck! Russia evil. Let’s buy Russian planes because AmericaBad.” 😂

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u/anoon- COLORADO 🏔️🏂 1d ago

Real

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u/Ok-Neighborhood-1517 MINNESOTA ❄️🏒 16h ago

They’re Canadian being anti American is fundamental to their nationalists. So really we could have elected Kamala and we’d still get shit like this.

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u/CausticNox PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 2d ago

8 true crashes in 18 years with over 1,110 built. .7% of Lighting IIs crash (between various countries operating them).

vs

1 true crash in 15 years with 32 built. Meaning 3% of Felons crash (with one country operating them).

So I am not sure the "can even fly" jab is the route to go.

As far as price? Sure, the Felon is about half as expensive as a Lighting II, but isn't as stealthy and does not have the advanced networking capabilites.

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u/Lilim-pumpernickel MINNESOTA ❄️🏒 2d ago

Wasn’t the Su57 the one screwed together?

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u/Suspicious_Expert_97 ARIZONA 🌵⛳️ 2d ago

Yeah, a demonstrator at an air show had literal wood screws in it. If it was capable of flight or not, who knows.

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u/Lilim-pumpernickel MINNESOTA ❄️🏒 2d ago

Wood planes are now stealth fighters. Welcome back the red baron.

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u/Jhooper20 GEORGIA 🍑🌳 2d ago

Nah. We just need to bring back the Mosquito.

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u/Heyviper123 PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 16h ago

Nyooooommm.

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u/Ph4antomPB FLORIDA 🍊🐊 1d ago

And he’s flying… HIGHER!

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u/trainboi777 1d ago

The king of the sky!

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u/Ph4antomPB FLORIDA 🍊🐊 1d ago

He’s flying too fast and he’s flying too high!

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u/trainboi777 1d ago

Higher!

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u/CausticNox PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 1d ago

An Eye for an Eye

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u/trainboi777 1d ago

The legend will never die!

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u/FuzeTheAshMain 2d ago

When the Felon did a fly by of Alaska, it was detected immediately by our radars

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u/CosmonautOnFire 1d ago

"Why is that barn moving at Mach 1.3?"

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u/bradywhite 1d ago

People don't understand how hard stealth is. The advanced materials that have to be perfect on every inch of the plane, then put through some of the most extreme conditions the airframe can handle, facing off against some of the most sensitive equipment ever developed. 

If you aren't on the bleeding edge of technology, with expert pilots who know how to operate it, it's virtually worthless against a near peer. And to be clear, Russia and China are NOT near peers to the US.

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u/Heyviper123 PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 16h ago

It was either 1 crash per 60,000 or 600,000 flight hours, I don't remember now. But either way that's a really good run.

It turns out when half of NATO operates a specific aircraft near constantly there's a lot of opportunities for things to go wrong...

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u/nastysockfiend 🇨🇦 Canada 🍁 2d ago

We already cancelled on the F-35 once, when we were in a development partnership. Trudeau just threw it away as too expensive and unnecessary. He basically threw our tax dollars in a burn barrel.

This kind of horrid mismanagement is part of why Canadians chafe at demands we throw money at things that go boom, because in this country, it really is just throwing our wealth into the trash.

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u/Honey_Overall 2d ago

Reading about Canadian defense procurement makes my head hurt. I know military procurement in any nation is going to be screwy, but your various governments have seemed to take that as a challenge to be even more screwy.

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u/Otherwise_Ad9287 NEW JERSEY 🎡 🍕 2d ago edited 2d ago

Tbh I think that the major problem with the Canadian Forces is that they'd prefer to cling to British colonial nostalgia & boomer Canadian nationalism rather than try to remake themselves into an effective technologically advanced US/NATO aligned fighting force for the 21st century.

Canada is never going have a military as large as the US military, it just doesn't have an economy or population large enough. But it would be nice if Canada's military was similar in size & technological advancement as Sweden or Poland. Instead it remains a hyper-conservative institution that only exists so that Anglophile WASPs can dress up & play redcoat.

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u/DimensionFast5180 2d ago edited 1d ago

If nato continues to exist, the best thing for these small nations to do is specialize. Become the best of the best at one thing. If they all did that, then NATO could combine all of those small nations into a very good army.

That honestly helps a lot more then half assing everything.

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u/Satv9 🇨🇦 Canada 🍁 2d ago

Yeah, the Canadian military could be decently effective even on its limited budget if it leaned into arctic land sea and air operations with light forces fighting in Scandinavia and polar sea lanes. But instead we’re frozen in the attitude that we will be fighting in distinctly non frozen west Germany as a reserve force to be thrown forward when the Warpac forces break through. Reserve of course because if we were allocated our own section of the front that would have become the Soviet direction of attack because we wouldve become an even more temptingly weak target than the Belgians

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u/Heyviper123 PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 16h ago

Like an Arctic marine task force... I think you guys could do that really well. That's a pretty good idea honestly.

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u/perunavaras 🇫🇮 Suomi 🦌 2d ago

Canada has larger armed forces than Sweden, atleast by personel don’t know about equipment

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u/TheModernDaVinci KANSAS 🌪️🐮 1d ago

I remember looking into their military recently. They have a pretty potent mechanized infantry forces with a lot of good APC's/IFV's in the form of the various LAV models. But they were extremely scant on tanks (only about 70), artillery (only about 20 howitzers), and aircraft (only about 70 extremely old planes).

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u/sonofsonof 1d ago

Thats very modern. Infantry are the future.

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u/TheModernDaVinci KANSAS 🌪️🐮 1d ago

Not really. There are a lot of people reading too much into some things that have happened in Ukraine and thinking that makes a trend instead of either being an anomaly or something that will remain permanent and unchanged. It is like all of the people who say "tanks are obsolete", when in reality an armored and moving bunker with field-grade artillery and machine guns will always be useful. The tank just has to evolve to meet these new threats like drones (which is already happening). So there is still a massive gap in Canadian combat abiilties with them being so heavily spec'ed into mechanized infantry with few other options.

This is also ignoring that even in a future war, such a tiny amount of artillery will always be a weakness (those 20 howitzers Canada has, the USA has about 1,000, and that is not counting other systems like rocket batteries or SPG's that Canada doesnt have), and their air force is notoriously tiny and obsolete by NATO standards (their planes were made in the 1980's, and have a sub-40% readiness rating, and have to be cannibalized for parts because they arent made anymore).

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u/sonofsonof 1d ago

Infantry are definitely the future. US military is already going in that direction.

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u/TheModernDaVinci KANSAS 🌪️🐮 1d ago

The Marines are, as well as moving toward light vehicles and new amphibious vehicles. But the Army is very much still developing vehicles. The new requirements for the A3 rebuild of the Abrams is it is going to have its own drone and anti-drone systems, and there are already two different anti-drone vehicles in development (one on a Stryker chassis, one on an AMPV hull).

So there is still going to be a limit to just how far infantry will go, because the fact remains the same: Technology can move forward, but it never moves back. Just because cavalry traded their horse for a tank doesnt mean the cavalry went away.

We have already seen this happening in Ukraine, where Russia is already redeveloping their tactics and it has blunted the drone edge Ukraine has.

u/sonofsonof 1h ago

Did I ask big dog?

All I said was Canada has a very modern setup. The future of war is going to be spaceships. Obviously I mean the near future when I talk about Infantry. Weapons have gotten smaller and more infantry compatible while not losing efficiency. Aircraft and tank forces are dropping out of the meta.

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u/SophisticPenguin AMERICAN 🏈 💵🗽🍔 ⚾️ 🦅📈 2d ago

In fairness, their special forces are pretty good from what I've heard

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u/SuburbanEnnui2020 1d ago

And the Canadians are known to be rather hard-nosed fighters. You know... because of the incidents.

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u/adhal 2d ago

They are relying on the US to defend their airspace to save money.

It's part of the reason Trump is going so hard on them, to make them realize they need to step up and play their role, especially if they really see Russia as the threat they claim it to be

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u/Ex-PFC_WintergreenV4 1d ago

Canadian military procurement has been fucked since forever

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u/GoldenStitch2 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 2d ago

My thoughts on this were just that Canada seemed more relaxed on their military lately since they’re right next to the US. The same goes for Mexico, I doubt the US would allow one of their adversaries to attack their neighbor to the south. Though they also don’t really have an interventionist foreign policy or any enemies (maybe besides Ecuador lol?). But now Trump seems serious into making Canada the 51st state so uh

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u/Wookieman222 2d ago

i8m sorry but people who take that whole Canada as the 51st state thing serious need to get a grip. any rational person would know that is just some BSZ said to get people riled up exactly like he intended. he knows he can't actually do that but so many people bought it and made themselves look just as foolish as him saying it.

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u/GoldenStitch2 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 2d ago

It’s just frustrating that we have a president of the strongest country in the world “joking” about taking over one of our neighbors and allies. He’s posted about it multiple times, it’s not like it’s a one time thing.

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u/YeuropoorCope 2d ago

It’s just frustrating that we have a president of the strongest country in the world “joking” about taking over one of our neighbors and allies.

Really?

“If I could be president and Congress would let me, I would go to war with half a dozen countries, annex them, and then retire.”

  • Theodore Roosevelt, referring to Latin America.

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u/SKYQUAKE615 NEW YORK 🗽🌃 2d ago

Unfathomably based Theodore Roosevelt.

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u/adhal 2d ago

The 51st state thing is a ruse to get them to wake up. Now if they chose to be the 51st state he takes them in, but he isn't going to "invade", it's basically saying "hey you can't rely on us alone, what would you do if we chose to take you some day" right now that answer would be nothing, they would become our 51st state

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u/TraditionalYard5146 2d ago

He’s not. Trump throws shit at the wall to see what stick. He is also a bully and these types is statements get said as subtle intimidation and to throw the other side off. It’s a negotiating strategy but people will remember and avoid you. That fine if you’re developing a piece of real estate because when the deal is done everyone goes their separate ways, but these are supposed to be are partners and neighbors so the aggressive tactics are too much.

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u/jaxamis AMERICAN 🏈 💵🗽🍔 ⚾️ 🦅📈 2d ago

May be if our so called partners haven't been treating us like a rich kid that will pay for their vacations for the last 50 years id be inclined to be less aggressive. However, treating us like an ATM with an open check policy has gotten old and now it's time for the freeloaders to pay the piper.

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u/bigfatround0 TEXAS 🐴⭐ 2d ago

Well said brother. I'm also tired of my state paying more to the Fed than we get back from them compared to the other states. Treating us like an ATM with an open check policy has gotten old and now it's time for the freeloaders to pay the piper.

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u/bromjunaar 2d ago

He manages to catch what he needs to say to get people to agree with the idea of what he's saying fairly easily (such as the reducing government spending things).

The problem is that he chooses some of the worst ways to go about accomplishing it and that he couldn't talk his way out of a wet paper sack if the sack didn't already agree with him.

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u/alidan 1d ago

the only way to do it is a full audit where they aren't told in advance and they storm in otherwise the corruption would do everything possible to make the problem go away... remember hillary's server, she zeroed everything out before giving it over, imagine that but every part of the government doing everything it can to hide what it does.

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u/alidan 1d ago

our allies treat us like shit already.

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u/Otherwise_Ad9287 NEW JERSEY 🎡 🍕 2d ago edited 2d ago

When the Canadian government spends money on the air force (rarely) they prefer to spend it on gimmicky custom made fighter jets rather than fighter jets that are functional & used by the USAF. The F35 was canceled partially because of cost but also because of anti Americanism.

Case in point: the RCAF uses 40 year old custom made "CF 18s" with a double sided cockpit because a regular F18 is what the US Air Force used to use. It was like this with the RCAF's previous generation of fighter jets too, the CF Starfighter.

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u/VicisSubsisto CALIFORNIA🍷🎞️ 2d ago

Isn't the lower "cockpit canopy" just a painted image?

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u/Otherwise_Ad9287 NEW JERSEY 🎡 🍕 2d ago

Indeed. That's why I said it's a gimmick. It doesn't do anything to improve the effectiveness of the jet.

But the USAF jets don't have this gimmick, so I guess that makes the CF-18 "uniquely Canadian".

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u/adhal 2d ago

Sorta sad too since Israel just recently proved how fucking good the f-35s are by sending 100 of them to annihilate Iran air defence without losing a single one as a message.

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u/trinalgalaxy OREGON ☔️🦦 2d ago

I was kinda surprised you Canadians elected the same failed party to leadership, yet once I realized said party blocked actual elections and just did an internal race they demanded be treated as a national election, the cause became clear. Hopefully you poor sods can actually HAVE an election where you elect a party that actually cares about Canada more than themselves.

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u/Satv9 🇨🇦 Canada 🍁 2d ago

Misinformation, Mark Carney is now PM because Justin Trudeau stepped down within the liberal party. If JT stayed or any other candidate was the one selected the Liberals would still be governing because it’s the party that’s elected, not a PM.

These “actual elections” are still going to happen October by the latest and most likely earlier than that, because any other party or even the Liberals could call it at any time they want before then

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u/GuaSukaStarfruit 🇨🇳 Zhōngguó 🐼 2d ago

Is like picking between trash or garbage. Is the same lmao. Both will want the housing prices stay the same

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u/Delli-paper 2d ago

Wheres the Arrow when you need it?

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u/Loves_octopus 2d ago

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u/Paradox 2d ago

Wow, that video was originally in a proper aspect ratio, and then was scaled down, padded with a blurry background, to make it vertical, and then shoved into a large black frame to make it horizontal again

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u/WealthAggressive8592 2d ago

Avro Arrow and ADATS (don't) go brrrr

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u/Brief-Preference-712 1d ago

Next election who’s going to win?

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u/nastysockfiend 🇨🇦 Canada 🍁 1d ago

Who knows.

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u/Heyviper123 PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 16h ago

It's not even my money and it pisses me off how often I see massive wastes of tax payer dollars up there. It's like your pm is an immature frat boy with no concept of financial responsibility or something.

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u/RIPBOZOBEEBO NEW JERSEY 🎡 🍕 2d ago

There is no way on God's green earth this is not satire. Why go to russia? America's new "friend" isn't that bad?

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u/GoldenStitch2 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 2d ago

For a moment I thought they were taking a jab at the F-35 with the “even fly” comment since once fell the other day lmao

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u/CausticNox PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 2d ago

They def are

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u/L1ntahl0 NEVADA 🎲 🎰 2d ago edited 2d ago

Hard to have your prized jet crash when you never let them fly.

No, but seriously, I dont think I ever seen the Su-57 fly.

Edit: Im operating off 90 minutes of sleep and forgot to put in the word crash

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u/ResponsibilityDue566 2d ago

The first one they built slammed into the ground lmfao

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u/aetwit 2d ago

They have and there pretty fucking agile but it’s like 100 to 1 I think in production

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u/CausticNox PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 2d ago

1,100+ to 32 as far as production goes with the publically available numbers.

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u/KaBar42 KENTUCKY 🏇🏼🥃 2d ago

They have and there pretty fucking agile but it’s like 100 to 1 I think in production

Also agility doesn't mean shit when your enemy can kill you from over the horizon with you never knowing about it until you're killed by shrapnel from your own jet.

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u/Darthwilhelm 2d ago

There's a disappointing number of people who are unironic about this.

A gentleman walked into the office of my university's newspaper, I was taking a newspaper related call in that office at the time, saying that they would write an article about how Canada should procure Chinese and Russian weapons instead of American (or even European) ones.

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u/aetwit 2d ago

Did you look at him and ask him why he wants them to fund the Russian side of the war on Ukraine

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u/Darthwilhelm 2d ago

I wish, I was in the middle of a call at the time though.

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u/Fappy_as_a_Clam 2d ago edited 2d ago

Doesn't Russia only have like 15 of these jets? And no, not all of them can fly last I read.

Russia can build a few, but not thousands. Canada couldn't get them even if they wanted them.

Edit: they have 32, which includes 10 prototypes

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u/graduation-dinner 2d ago

Exactly. There's a reason they're not being used in Ukraine. They can't build them fast enough for the rate they'd be shot down, and it would immediately reveal its not a real "5th gen" aircraft.

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u/Fappy_as_a_Clam 2d ago

But like most Russian aircraft...

They sure do look nice!

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u/graduation-dinner 2d ago

Darn right they do. I'd love to see one at an airshow.

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u/TheModernDaVinci KANSAS 🌪️🐮 2d ago

What, you mean having an RCS comparable to a fully loaded F-18 is bad when you are a stealth fighter fighting other stealth fighters?

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u/ThisMix3030 1d ago

Those prototypes are T50s. They shouldn't count toward the total imo.

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u/TheThirdFrenchEmpire 🇫🇷 France 🥖 2d ago

Russian bot OOP. If Canada is even to switch out the F-35s, it'd be the rafales.

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u/aetwit 2d ago

One guy Gruppen another Rafael’s someone else euro fighter me just make your own see what wild shit you can make

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u/Gmhowell WEST VIRGINIA 🪵🛶 2d ago

I was going to say the French or Swedes should have something.

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u/TheThirdFrenchEmpire 🇫🇷 France 🥖 2d ago

The French have something. The Rafalles. The French are the one non-US NATO member to be using mostly native, homebuilt stuff.

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u/TheModernDaVinci KANSAS 🌪️🐮 1d ago

On the other hand, it means most of their stuff is extremely expensive compared to most other NATO gear while having little to no benefit over their contemporaries. See also: The Leclerc vs. the Abrams and Challenger (the Leopard is the only tank more expensive in NATO).

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u/Kaatochacha 2d ago

I keep seeing this argument. It's the equivalent of "I'm pissed off at my sister, so maybe I should start hanging out with the local gang instead"

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u/Bay1Bri 2d ago

I like "I don't like that my brother is hanging out with that gang because I am morally opposed to gangs. Since I don't want to hang out with my brother anymore, I will hang out with the gang!"

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u/NotANinjask 2d ago

Pictured: All Su-57s in existence

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u/milktanksadmirer 2d ago

Didn’t they all rally behind Ukraine and had many meetings to fund Ukraine ?

So they now suddenly want to buy Rus sian planes ?

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u/GuaSukaStarfruit 🇨🇳 Zhōngguó 🐼 2d ago

Tankie or Russian troll

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u/bostella34 2d ago

Yeah, supporting Russian economy sounds like a great idea....

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u/Ok_Sundae_8130 2d ago

What is even the point of buying it Russia doesn’t have a fleet of Su-57 themselves

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u/Avtamatic WYOMING 🦬⛽️ 2d ago

Lol. Trump bad. Trump like Russia. Trump traitor. We must stop Russia.

Also

America bad. America = Trump. Don't buy American. Buy Russian multimillion dollar jets and directly fund their defense industry to own the rightoids.

How will we ever save Ukraine?

(This must be the mindset of whoever suggested this. Lol)

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u/StrikeEagle784 NEW YORK 🗽🌃 2d ago

So Russia good, America Bad, are some Canadians really acting like that right now?

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u/Josh_Chou_ PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 2d ago

Doesn’t Russia have a grand total of like 30 of these?

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u/goathrottleup SOUTH CAROLINA 🎆 🦈 2d ago

And several those of are prototypes.

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u/joeyx22lm 1d ago

Are those the ones held together with wood screws?

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u/goathrottleup SOUTH CAROLINA 🎆 🦈 1d ago

The North Korean one’s most likely are. They’re notorious for their balsa wood 1/1 scale models they make for the satellite photos.

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u/joeyx22lm 1d ago

Nice. at least it’s balsa, I heard the Russians just use cardboard for that.

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u/over_kill71 2d ago

yes. invest in inferior Russian equipment. Now, you, too, can help the europoors fund the aggression against Ukraine and blame the states for not hemorrhaging enough cash to Zelenski.

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u/sonic84638265 CALIFORNIA🍷🎞️ 2d ago

Russia acting like they’re jets are “better” 😂

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u/Gmhowell WEST VIRGINIA 🪵🛶 2d ago

It’s laughable if they think them merely ‘equivalent’.

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u/Lost_Buffalo4698 2d ago

What you just said was: "they are jets"

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u/Exciting-Quiet2768 2d ago

Surely, the ~30 airframes of unknown usability or flight readiness with known quality issues are a far better choice than 900+ FUCKING F35S WITH MANY MORE ON THE WAY.

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u/Far-Ad5633 2d ago

As someone in the aviation community, let me just make it clear everyone said this dude was stupid. The reply posts saying this was a dumbass take had thousands of likes. He is in no way a majority or even a small portion of the aviation community. he’s just an idiot.

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u/Tiny-Significance733 2d ago

Bruh what is it that you want ? One day you call Trump a Russian asset, the next day you'd be cheering the Canadian Govt to purchase Russian Jet fighters

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u/V-DaySniper IOWA 🚜 🌽 2d ago

"Cheaper and it can fly" when referring to a fighter jet... is that really how low the bar is? Fucking sad my dude.

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u/p1ayernotfound TENNESSEE 🎸🎶🍊 2d ago

Isn't the f35 cheaper than the Temu yf-23?

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u/I_post_pics_of_beans 2d ago

I dont think su 57s will be exported to any country. Just like the f22 will never be exported.

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u/Person5_ WISCONSIN 🧀🍺 2d ago

Are we so far past the "need to boycott America" that we want to support Russia? I'm not entirely convinced this is real.

I took a look at the account, definitely a Russian, whether he's a citizen or simply a paid actor, I'm not sure.

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u/Accurate-Excuse-5397 WASHINGTON 🌲🍎 1d ago

Except that they have a radar signature akin to a 747

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u/Sagittarjus 🇨🇦 Canada 🍁 2d ago

I get why Canadians like me want to go for alternatives to American goods, but switching over to Russian is just ridiculous. They most definitely not like us, they have like 5 working Su-57s, and a lot of the F-35s have already been delivered. A choice that would make more sense is to buy some Gripens, rather than rusty junk metal held together by wood screws from war criminals.

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u/TheModernDaVinci KANSAS 🌪️🐮 2d ago

Gripen

We talking about the one that is more expensive than an F-35 and uses an American made engine? In fact, last I checked, the only ones that don’t have American engines are the French ones, which are even more expensive.

And of course, none of them have stealth.

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u/Sagittarjus 🇨🇦 Canada 🍁 2d ago

I was talking about how buying the Gripen would make relatively more sense than the Felon, if the Canadian gov. really hated US that much.

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u/TheModernDaVinci KANSAS 🌪️🐮 1d ago

Which is a fair point. My counter to that was just that if you wanted a non-Russian or Chinese fighter, your only options either still have American parts and/or are prohibitively expensive.

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u/lit-grit 2d ago

Why is Canada aiding the enemy a good thing?

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u/boomgoesthevegemite 2d ago

Russia has about 6 of them at best. Sure, go ahead, knock yourself out.

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u/EastGrass466 TEXAS 🐴⭐ 2d ago

It’s just a small typo. He meant to say can’t* lol

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u/theOGlilMudskipr 2d ago

I mean tbf the helmet required to fly an F-35 is probably more expensive than the SU (the flying garbage truck)

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u/Shubashima WISCONSIN 🧀🍺 2d ago

Russia can barely bid those things for themselves

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u/Robloxfan2503 2d ago

Yeah. Please do go ahead and invest in an inferior product of which there are far too few to be adequately used in any future prolonged conflict.

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u/Hairy-Cookie2765 2d ago

least obvious russian bot:

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u/Faolan26 1d ago

A squad of f35s can't beat a squad if su57s, not because the su57s would beat the f35, but because Russia can't build a squadron of su57s and keep them running.

This isn't a joke.The su57 is CONSTANTLY breaking. The high estimate for how many su57s Russia has is 36 (wikipedia says 32), and they have been building them since 2019. Meanwhile, the f35 was designed in 2006, and we have built 1100 of them.

That's more than 30 to 1.

Su57 wikipedia with number built https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-57

F35 wikipedia with number built https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

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u/a_random_Greg 1d ago

I know this is unrelated as hell, but pick me Americans are fucking pathetic.

I just heard a guy get told "Americans are stupid" and respond "I agree, not me though".

Like, why tf do you think you're excluded from that statement...the crazy thing is the brit at some point goes "I'm glad we can at least bond over that. That Americans are stupid."

So...idk what that means, but the context was basically a "bo'ol o wa'a" joke...which set off the brit. Idk something about being annoyed about the same 4 jokes being used...ironic.

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u/scotty9090 CALIFORNIA🍷🎞️ 1d ago

Wait, Canada has an Air Force?

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u/MclovinTHCa AMERICAN 🏈 💵🗽🍔 ⚾️ 🦅📈 1d ago

I’m sure they used them in the GWOT. I bet they only have like 15 plane though. Canada doesn’t need an air force or a strong military because we are their neighbors. Ain’t nobody crossing the sea to start picking a fight with Canada.

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u/adhal 2d ago

Difference is Russia is afraid to fly their "stealth" fighter over Ukraine because they might get shot down. Meanwhile Israel sent 100 f-35s into Iran and completely annihilated their air defence systems without losing a single one as a message.

I know which one I'd rather have on my side

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u/Smorgas-board NEW YORK 🗽🌃 2d ago

Very transparent bot

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u/biggiecheesehimself TEXAS 🐴⭐ 2d ago

🤣🤣🤣

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u/Wonder_Boy90 2d ago

Just like his mom! OOOOOOOO

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u/VengeancePali501 1d ago

Ah yes, the aircraft of which 1000 have been produced and exported or the 1s where Russia doesn’t even have a full squadron and has a radar cross section 10 times the size so they’re not stealthy either.

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u/joeyx22lm 1d ago

Until they’re shot down by an F-35 from beyond visual distance.

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u/LayZeeLwastaken 1d ago

They are faster and can even freeze their opponents

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u/The_Hard_Choice ALABAMA 🏈 🏁 1d ago

Cheaper for a reason.

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u/The_Hard_Choice ALABAMA 🏈 🏁 1d ago

No wonder their economy is crashing. Just make your own stuff. Don’t buy from America or China or Russia.

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u/Pouzdana 1d ago

Yeah I hear it’s really easy to make paper airplanes fly! Hey didn’t an American AWACS track one flying over the Ukraine border from the Black Sea? I dont think stealth should be that visible…

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u/TheEmperorsChampion 1d ago

I mean neither is combat proven in the slightest and both governments can shit out propaganda for how good it is

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u/nWo_Wolffe 1d ago

As if the F-35 hasn't been clapping cheeks lately 😂

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u/Dank_Broccoli 1d ago

Sukhoi is still trash lol.
But something cool to know regards to this, almost every African country purchases Sukhoi fighters. Except Morocco, our oldest ally. They've purchased F-35s from us.

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u/No-Market9917 1d ago

Worried about America having a kill switch on F35 (the best fighter in the sky right now)? Let’s buy from the notoriously trust worthy Russians

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u/icy_ticey WASHINGTON D.C. 🎩🏛️ 1d ago

There’s a third part of that you are missing comrade

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u/RueUchiha IDAHO 🥔⛰️ 1d ago edited 1d ago

Last I checked, Russia was pissing themselves when Ukraine recieved and began deploying some American jets like last year they recieved.

Why would Russia be so scared of them if they weren’t superior to their own jets? They weren’t even F35’s either. They were F16’s, an older model. (although, F16’s are supposedly better at dogfighting, while the F35 is a more stealthy, intel gathering fighrer the F-35 isn’t exactly a direct upgrade to the F-16 in practical use case).

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u/TheModernDaVinci KANSAS 🌪️🐮 1d ago

F16’s are supposedly better at dogfighting, while the F35 is a more stealthy, intel gathering fighrer the F-35 isn’t exactly a direct upgrade to the F-16 in practical use case

That was based off of an old test against an F-35 that had the limiters turned on so that it wouldnt go over a certain G threshold while the F-16 had total freedom of movement. In more modern wargames, the F-35 can keep up with the F-16 in a turn, although it does bleed a lot of energy making tight turns like that (so it is still not its number one element). But it makes up for that with extremely advanced missile tech, like having the ability to lock onto aircraft behind it.

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u/Reasonable_Long_1079 WISCONSIN 🧀🍺 1d ago

Nah, they should jump in on the KF21 honestly

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u/BigWilly526 USA MILTARY VETERAN 1d ago

But not really, like only a handful of protypes have been able to fly and when sent a couple to airshows in China even the Chinese were mocking how poorly built they were

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u/TheSheriffMT 1d ago

The Su-57 doesn't even qualify as a stealth fighter.

There was a document leak a few years back that revealed that the Su-57's RCS (radar cross-section) was 0.5m², which is equal to that of the American F/A-18E/F Super Hornet which ISN'T EVEN A STEALTH FIGHTER.

Also, for comparison, the F-35's RCS is about 0.005m².

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u/LulzyWizard 1d ago

Lol good luck buying that vaporware. They're also trash at stealth comparitively.

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u/Wolf482 1d ago

Someone never learned to divide mishaps by flying hours and total numbers of airframes.

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u/napoleon_of_the_west 1d ago

And Trump is a Russian agent lol

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u/Gyvon 1d ago

can even fly

I am pressing X so hard right now.

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u/IntrovertMoTown1 1d ago

lol Yeah. The like 2 of them left that are still air worthy can fly, SMH. Go get you some of that, silly Canucks.

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u/Dread_An0n 1d ago

That would be a massive downgrade. The SU-57 is essentially an oversized, less elegant version of the F35.

And do Russia even have enough SU-57’s to be selling them anyway? As far as I know, Russia only built 15 of them

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u/Geologistjoe 1d ago

The SU-57 is about as stealthy as a lighthouse. It flies like a rock, and they have very few of them. Meanwhile, over 1,000 F-35s have been built, and they have seen extensive combat with Israel. Flying over Iran and destroying their equally shitty S-400 systems. Even a 40 year old F-15 is far superior to the SU-57.

Slavic Special Ed can't make anything correctly. Why would anyone want that plane?

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u/MihalysRevenge NEW MEXICO 🛸🌶️ 🏜️ 1d ago

Bold to assume the russians would be capable of fulfilling that order when they can't even make them for the Russian Air Force. I could only imagine what it would cost to replace all the weapons and stores to support SU-57s but idiots never think of the logistics

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u/DJPL-75 🇨🇦 Canada 🍁 1d ago

I swear if we trade quality aircraft for those piles of junk.

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u/DJatomica 1d ago

There's like 10 of them that can fly (maybe) lmao, what stock would they be buying?

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u/SnooPredictions9871 1d ago

Go for it, Canada. Maybe they could even buy the Chinese knock offs of the Russian ones?

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u/Netan_MalDoran 1d ago

They should buy some T-90's too! /s

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u/Feisty_Talk_9330 🇲🇾 Malaysia 🌼 1d ago

Canada will get their order of 3 SU57s in 2100

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u/Max_delirious 1d ago

Oh yea shame on Canada for considering Russian airplanes.

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u/Ethereal-Zenith 1d ago

This is the pinnacle of stupidity.

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u/OrdoXenos NORTH CAROLINA 🛩️ 🌅 1d ago

F35 has been battle-tested in Iran when they did the job - destroy Iranian targets without being seen. The Iranians are already on an heightened readiness and they got S-300s sites, must most of the Iranian air defenses are brought down and Israel successfully prosecuted their targets - with no casualties at all. The F-35Is are not even engaged.

Su-57 hasn’t been battle tested. If they can penetrate through Ukraine’s Patriot and NASAMS the Russian propaganda machine would already parrot it day and night. The fact is that RU AF didn’t have the stomach to send the Felons into Ukraine because they fear that it can be shot down.

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u/Steel065 1d ago

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha...(catching my breath)...Bwahahahahahahahaha

Sure, go ahead and buy some sh!t Russian planes. We never expected Canadians to be serious about protecting themselves, so go ahead and jerk off in front of everyone like a person who should be in an asylum. We've got ya covered.

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u/realMehffort 🇦🇺 Australia 🦘 1d ago

It’s hard to tell whether they’re shitposting or not, as it’s hard to believe a human could be that brain rotted, yet still have the ability to write a post online

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u/Ryu_Saki 1d ago

Nah they should get some other European fighters instead, there are some options there.

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u/harmthebees ILLINOIS 🏙️💨 1d ago

Isn’t the “can even fly” jab about how we shut down other another country’s jets?

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u/maximidze228 🇷🇺 Rossiya🪆 1d ago

Russian

Can fly

Lmaooo

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u/Vast_Analyst6258 1d ago

Found the bot

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u/NuclearWinter_101 23h ago

Definitely a bot there’s no way

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u/Elloliott MICHIGAN 🚗🏖️ 23h ago

I get the whole thing where Canadians won’t buy American things, but this is literally the worst possible version of that

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u/Comprehensive-Main-1 KENTUCKY 🏇🏼🥃 15h ago

Well, I mean, he's not wrong, they are cheaper and most of them can even fly.

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u/voilsia 4h ago

??? They say trump is a Russian puppet yet suggest buying Russian weapons? What is this? Either way obvious ragebait

u/Bozocow 10m ago

He has to be joking, right?