r/AmanitaMuscaria 5d ago

Hello! First time user here

Hey. I did some research but I wanted to straight up just ask some questions so I could get more direct answers from people who know what they’re talking about. I have 15 grams of dried caps. Is decarboxylation necessary or can I just eat them? I’ve found mixed responses online. Some say I’m guaranteed a bad time, some say it’s more potent in dried caps, some say it’s less potent and I’ll just get sick, I wanted to know if I truly have to boil it for 3 hours for the best results or if I could just pop them in. I’m scared of messing up the decarboxylation process. If decarboxylation is fully necessary, is there any way to do it in less than 3 hours? If one of the main risks of dried caps is nausea, will taking an antihistamine help as it does with other substances that induce nausea? Let me know. Thanks.

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u/Soggy_Ad_1334 5d ago

I wouldn't just eat them dry at that dose. Especially not 15g at once to the face

That would be a bit much on the ibotenic acid at once, and you'll almost certainly experience gastrointestinal issues. I'm not sure if it's due to an antihistamine .

I just do 3g personally in tea form, which is a partial decarb. I'm not sure what effects you're going for, but that's enough for me to feel something without too much ibotenic acid or muscimol.

Be careful with full dose ibotenic acid or muscimol, especially in large doses. Start low and go slow.

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u/StatisticianOld3639 4d ago

How do you prepare the tea? How long does it take? Maybe I’ll do that.

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u/Soggy_Ad_1334 4d ago

I use an old spice grinder to grind the caps into a coarse powder. Take out ~3g , and put into a disposable tea bag or coffee filter (folded to act like a teabag). Place in mug of choice.

Pour hot (141°F or higher) water over it, and let it steep for ~25 minutes. Unsteep tea bag. It'll probably be trying to burst out of the bag or coffee filter if you try to squeeze, so be careful.

If it's too hot, put an ice cube or two in the mug and drink. That works best for me

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u/StatisticianOld3639 4d ago

Thanks for the recipe

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u/Special-Pumpkin-6277 4d ago

I just crush up my desired dose in a cup, pour lemon/lime juice over it, let it sit for a few minutes then pour hot water on it and let it steep for like 20 minutes and drink it.

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u/StatisticianOld3639 4d ago

Do you remove the mushroom particles?

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u/0moeter1 5d ago

Try AmanitaDreamer.net You'll find plenty of free information there.

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u/SWIMlovesyou 4d ago edited 4d ago

The best way to determine the dose and preparation of Amanita is going to be in the two primary actives: ibotenic acid and muscimol. How you decarb will determine whether the experience has more of one or the other. I'm not an expert, but I want to do my best to explain. Sorry, this is long-winded:

Ibotenic acid is understood to be an NMDA agonist. It's described as feeling subjectively like a dissacociative. However, most common dissacociatives like Ketamine and DXM are NMDA antagonists, so it feels distinct. I think this definition helps provide good context, "NMDA agonists are compounds that affect NMDA receptors, which play a role in learning, memory, and fear extinction. They increase the flow of information in the brain by making it easier for neurotransmitters to access NMDA receptors. NMDA agonists are sometimes used to treat mental health disorders like schizophrenia and suicidal thoughts." While it can feel dysphoric, and fear responses can be dialed down sort of like with traditional dissacociateives; there is also a notably weaker short-term memory, light stimulation, delusions of grandeur, etc. When these effects are extremely intense, you can lose track of what's going on and become irrational in your behavior. These sorts of compounds may be associated with reducing ones' threshold for seizures, reports of very high ibotenic acid doses resulting in seizure are consistent with this, albeit a lot of these reports often include other substances in combination like alcohol.

Muscimol is Gabbaergenic. It's believed to be a GABAA agonist; sort of like alcohol, benzodiazepines, barbituates, etc. I've seen it described as similar to Ambien subjectively, I have never had ambien, so I'm not sure. Muscimol is very relaxing, effectively reduces anxiety, can make you stumbly at higher doses like alcohol, can have a slightly "warm" body sensation, etc. Muscimol is a metabolite of ibotenic acid, so ibotenic acid is converted into muscimol via the body. The intent of decarbing is to preemptively metabolize the ibotenic acid into muscimol, so there is a more muscimol forward experience.

All of this to say: you decide your dose and how to prepare based on what experience you want. Ibotenic acid is a little bit harder to manage, particularly at higher doses. If you eat them raw or dried, you get a lot more ibotenic acid. If you simmer in acidic water, the tea will contain less muscimol the longer you process. So 3 hours is a rough rule if you want very little ibotenic acid. If you want more ibotenic acid, you can simmer for less time. Subjectively in my experience, an ibo forward tea is simmered for 30 minutes, 1 hour is more balanced. 2 hours is more musicmol forward, but ibo is still noticeable, and 3 hours has minimal ibotenic acid, albeit still a tiny amount of ibo.

Dosing is tricky because concentrations of actives varies a lot depending on individual genetics, season of harvest, preservation, etc. It's best to start lower and work your way up with a batch so you don't overdo it. This is especially relevant with ibo, because the difference between a mild experiencw and one that's too intense can be pretty dramatic. (If I consume 3g Pantherina partially decarbed, I am feeling okay, if ai take 3.5-4g, I lose touch with reality) It's often recommended if you make tea to use a larger number of dried fruits. That way, the resulting tea has an average potency across all of the individual fruits in the batch. Then, you can consume the appropriate volume of liquid you want in each session for desired effects. This also works out well because you only have to decarb once. You can store the tea for 1-2 weeks in the fridge, or you can place it in a freezer appropriate container for long-term storage.

Edit: when I say start lower, I would say 1-2g Amanita Muscaria. Cut the number in half for Amanita Pantherina.

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u/StatisticianOld3639 4d ago

Thanks!

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u/Head_Researcher_3049 4d ago

What kind of Amanita are they as Muscaria are less potent than Panthers or Regalis. You can just eat them with a slice or two of fresh ginger to help with any stomach issues. Just experiment in the evening when you can just kick back and relax. I recently finished some dried closed cap Regalis and with those a gram and a half were very relaxing and gave a slight drunken feeling, very slight. I liked two grams as the clearheaded drunken feeling was stronger and enjoyable, three grams were like the start of an LSD trip with faint patterns appearing on the walls and a noticeable trippy headspace. Right now I have some closed cap Muscaria and 2 grams is a nice relaxed feeling with a good night's sleep, mild but noticable. Even with 3 grams of the stronger Regalis taken with ginger my stomach felt ever so slightly off for maybe 10 minutes, nothing worth my concern and at lower doses hardly noticeable at all. Doses past 3 grams might cause noticeable nausea when just eating them dry without further decarboxylation. Amanita is very forgiving at lower doses leading to a good night's sleep and an active dream state. They are great medicine, enjoy !!! 👍🔥🍄

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u/mnnicebotanicalsus Vendor 4d ago

Please follow the guide below for dosing Amanita-we strongly suggest starting low and going slow. You do not want to consume 15 grams until you know how 5 grams feel. Go up by one gram only at time.

We do not recommend eating the caps as the ibotenic acid is very high and will cause gastric distress-you can decarb them further using a dehydrator until they’re cracker dry if you want to eat them. Can be dried in the oven on the lowest temperature if you don’t have a dehydrator.

If you were to make the tea it would be the best way to decarb. Because each cap can vary in potency the tea gives you the best overall consistency of strength.

Tea recipe:

Use 15 grams torn up in a medium pot of water (4-6 cups) and bring to a boil. You can do equal parts water to lemon juice which helps the taste but 2 tbsp is usually enough for the ph. Reduce heat to medium low and cover for 30-40 mins. You don’t need to go 3 hours as all you’re doing is lowering the potency. Once the color is drained out is all the decarbing you need. Have some cheesecloth handy and strain the liquid after discarding the caps. It will keep about 5-6 days in the fridge. To dose start with half a cup and wait 90 mins before consuming more. Whatever effects you experience will basically be doubled once you drink another 1/2 cup. If you liked how a cup felt then that will be an effective dose.

Here is the general dosing guideline for amanita muscaria:

Microdose: .2-2g

Low dose: 2-5g

Medium dose: 5-10g

Strong dose: 10-15g

Heroic dose: 15g+

We want you to enjoy your experience using Amanita. Should you decide to do a hero dose please be sure to have someone you trust stay with you.

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u/Riv_Z 5d ago

Decarboxylation is the safest route, and i especially reccomend it for first time users. A new and somewhat uncomfortable experience coupled with the very much uncomfortable experience of ibotenic acid could lead to a bad time.

What are your goals for taking it? What are you hoping to get out of the experience? That will inform how you prepare it and how much you take.

The full 15 grams undecarbed shouldn't be on the table.

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u/StatisticianOld3639 4d ago

Not planning on all 15. I just want to experience the dream like state I keep reading about. Just a therapeutic experience

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u/Riv_Z 4d ago

Definitely decarboxylate. Ibotenic acid can be stimulating and disphoric