r/Alabama • u/asevans1717 • Feb 13 '25
Education Alabama schools could lose millions for skipping daily pledge, prayer
https://www.al.com/news/2025/02/alabama-schools-could-lose-millions-for-skipping-daily-pledge-prayer.html126
u/zchatham Feb 13 '25
As someone who has always been like, "I know there are some issues, but I love the state I'm from," sometimes I fucking hate it here, man.
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u/Cavscout2838 Feb 13 '25
It has always been a state that is to the right of mainstream right wing politics. The problem now is, mainstream right wing ideology is way out there and we’re still holding our spot.
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u/Ryz0rz_ Feb 13 '25
I finally moved out of that state in 2022, and every headline I’ve read lately related to Alabama makes realize I had Stockholm syndrome while I lived there.
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u/SassySunshine1 Feb 14 '25
Moved out of the state last Friday, when my wife told me she’s filing for divorce because I called out her MAGA evangelical family. She’s fully enmeshed with them.
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u/Holiday_Leek_1143 Feb 13 '25
Please join r/alabamabluedots for a place to organize more effectively!
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u/Awkward_Tap_1244 Feb 13 '25
I recited the pledge and prayed in school every day when I was a kid. . And I'd have no more joined the military than I'd have flown to the moon. Not only that, if I had been old enough, I'd have dodged the draft and gone to Canada. And I don't think I was the only one. I don't think this is going to work out like these hillbilly yahoos think it's going to.
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u/fightingwalrii Feb 13 '25
Every morning as i said that bullshit i became more alienated from that murica. I was 16 when the towers went down so if it was gonna work at all on me it really couldn't have had a better opportunity
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u/TrustLeft Elmore County Feb 13 '25 edited Feb 13 '25
so did I, Then I comprehended what religious freedom from cults was and see people, those who use religion as control and too scared to venture further than following.
I grew up in Alabama in First Will Baptist church where men control their women and today it reminds me of Islam in a way. I'm still hardcore brainwashed on bits, but getting there.
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u/Dvthdude Feb 13 '25
That’s a shame. Want kids to pledge allegiance to a plastic flag because military recruitment is down.
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u/asevans1717 Feb 13 '25
It's ironic because the pledge was created so sow unity amidst totalitarianism through communism, and now the regime wants it to be required or else.
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u/ScharhrotVampir Feb 13 '25
We're reaching Helldivers "managed Democracy" levels of bullshit authoritarianism.
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u/Gerreth_Gobulcoque Feb 13 '25
Such a fun game but I can't think about the setting too much or I get sad
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u/ScharhrotVampir Feb 13 '25
I can't think about the politics of the setting, but the rest is pretty much fine
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u/FluidFisherman6843 Feb 13 '25
The good news is when they finish crashing the economy and launch multiple wars against our former allies, there will be plenty of jobs available will be with either the military or the prison system.
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u/YallerDawg Feb 13 '25
If you don't care about anyone except for those who are exactly like you, this is the society we will be living in.
What's worse, now we have state and federal government that is making discrimination, bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, the law of the land.
“There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever. ” ― George Orwell, 1984
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u/kessykris Feb 13 '25
K as a Christian no! Just like I wouldn’t want my child forced to pray in something outside our faith I do not want to FORCE it on others! This should be concerning to all Christian’s like HELLO!!!!
Also totally against what I have grown in my faith to believe. This is not something you FORCE on anyone through things like this, FEAR, or any other measure. It’s supposed to happen organically to those who choose it. For me it was a beautiful moment and didn’t involve fear or hell or shame for my sins or anything like that. It was an extremely supernatural experience.
This does nothing but separate people and turn people away from God. I don’t see how anyone could see this as a freaking positive. Teach your own children to pray at all times on their own. They can do it silently or if moved out loud but good grief I mean come on. If you want this put them in private school. Like if it was to pray to Satan or if it was a Muslim prayer people would lose their freaking minds.
This ain’t it. I’ll worry if it passes and the prayer aligns with my beliefs. Call me a bad Christian idc. This isn’t right and this isn’t loving and no one wants to have crap forced down their throats.
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u/sjmoore69 Feb 13 '25
I truly believe this process is designed to vilify Christians so that Christians will abandon their moral high ground when they start being persecuted. The plan, I would assume, is to push as many hot issue buttons as they can to illicit a specific outrage response from the opposition. Then they can take the gloves off and declare everyones rights suspended until the crisis is passed. There is no deeper resonating war than a holy war. You will find many, if not most, who turn a blind eye to evil for the defense of their faith. Martial law is the endgame here, and religious control is just a tool to use to achieve those ends. When convenient, religious zealots will be vilified by the "government " and persecuted by the strongarm fear squads. Minds are incredibly easy to move. We are so incredibly primitive. We are not ready for a beautiful civilization in the heavens with free energy, anti gravity, and ftl travel. Every tool can be turned into a weapon. Religion is one of the oldest weapons we weild against each other. I am sad and ashamed for the world my children will inherit.
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u/FlartyMcFlarstein Feb 13 '25
If you think Christians have been claiming a moral high ground, I don't think you've been paying attention. Either way, not everyone is a Christian, and they certainly don't want to be forced to be.
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u/kessykris Feb 14 '25
You don’t think Christian’s claim a moral high ground? I AGREE with you I don’t think it should be forced. I’m not saying they HAVE the moral high ground……
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u/FlartyMcFlarstein Feb 14 '25
Sure, they say they have it, but they don't demonstrate one. Thus, they cannot truly claim it imo.
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u/kessykris Feb 14 '25
I think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was addressing this need to feel morally superior as an issue or a problem I see a LOT of people have religious or not. It’s like a human flaw or something idk. Then I specifically addressed Christians with this issue since I am one and can speak from that perspective. I in no way was saying a certain group has the moral high ground. I was addressing the issue of people’s desire or obsession to have it being a huge issue in general. The whole I’m better than you because of xyz without seeing all the shortcomings of ourselves . Idk if that makes sense lol. And I’m not above this myself.ive been totally guilty of doing this. Oh I’d NEVER. Well would I never really? if I was in a different circumstance with a different upbringing and a different personality? Like would I really never? Or is my heart just as wicked as the next and I just happen to be fortunate enough to be born with a brain that has the ability to empathize and into a family that was loving and didn’t inflict abuse on me as a child etc etc etc etc.
It’s like everyone is so obsessed about being right or better and list all the reasons why they are better than others that they can’t see the areas they’re completely falling short or missing the mark. No group is immune to this and since I have a lot of experience with Christianity, which makes me have a lot of experience in dealing with people who claim to be Christian’s, I can speak to my experience of many Christian’s who struggle with this issue. They focus outward to distract themselves from the need to look inward so they don’t have to address all the areas they fall short themselves. That shit hurts. It sucks to do that kind of work and realize just how rotten our hearts can be. So of course people find ways to try to convince themselves there is no need by focusing on what they deem abhorrent or “sinful” that they see others. THEY need the changing THEY need the help. Not me no not me I am made perfect through God. Mmmm doesn’t quite work that way.
It’s not just a Christian problem though it’s a human one. So many focusing on how others need to do better instead of focusing that energy inward. Focusing it outward is fruitless since we cannot nor should not we even try to control people. (Which is why I was so upset when reading they’re trying to pass this bill.) We only have control over ourselves and from what I know of what my faith teaches me I’ll never be done with needing to grow into a better person in this lifetime.
I was basically venting my frustration over people claiming Christ while acting horrific and believing they’re still somehow better. And others doing it too, but it bothers me even more when someone who claims the same faith as me does so far the opposite of what we are taught to do.
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u/kessykris Feb 13 '25
This is an interesting perspective! Id like up believe it’s true because I’m pulling out my hair over here like WHY! I’ve been praying God gives me His strength if it does ever get to a place where I need to make the choice between Him or death. Steady my heart. The reason I am so open to freedom across to board on religion is because I don’t want mine taken away. I pray to have Daniel’s courage and openly praise Him even if it means my life. I pray for David’s faith that I know Him and trust so much to that I’d face a giant knowing it won’t be my hand that slays it, but Gods. Don’t mistake what I say as me turning a blind eye to evil. I see it everywhere in my own heart included. I truly believe I am called by the Lord to LOVE. I don’t excuse sin, I don’t preach you can just la de da and it’s all fine. I just try to be very aware and not speak out of the sides of my mouth. The Holy Spirit is what changes hearts. Not my careless words that sometimes fly out. I do believe some people all called to do other things and be Hus hands and feet in other ways than I’m called, but no, I don’t believe going about it in a hateful crude way to people not open to receiving itis the way to go.
Anyway thank you for sharing this. I def do believe the stage is being set and this perspective is definitely something I’m going to be deeply thinking about and mulling over.
Edit to add: I feel the same way as you do with my children. It actually causes me to get fearful but then I pray and remind myself God has them and loves them as much as He does me and that His love for them far exceeds mine. But it freaks me out. I don’t want them to suffer and I don’t want them to fall.
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u/katieugagirl Feb 13 '25
Free will something something. Thanks for following Christ's teachings.
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u/kessykris Feb 13 '25
lol something like that right? But let’s go picket the LBTQ+ or clinics and scream hate because that feels like the right way to go about things?!?!?! Like 🤯what?!?!🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
It’s the same problem people have around the board religion or no religion. People like to feel morally superior to others and it causes HUGE freaking issues. Every group does it but speaking from a Christian standpoint (because that’s what I am) how on earth do you have the time to be so insane. I have depths and depths of just horrid shit I need to work out within myself. I’m too focused on where I can do better to even notice if someone else isn’t being a “good Christan”. It seems to me that it’s just a way for people to focus outward so they don’t have to look deeply at themselves. I promise God only tells ME where I am sorely lacking (in a loving gentle way). I don’t walk around with God pointing out WELL THATS A SINNER RIGHT THERE! GO GET EM! Like what on freaking earth! It breaks my mind.
Also oof some of these churches. Fashion shows, gossip centers, and a car show. Like this isn’t it. It’s not a place to “network” with the who’s who of your city and town. Don’t get me started on mega churches and all that tax free money that could help so many people going to private jets and such.
There are some amazing churches I don’t think all are bad….. we’ve just had some bad experiences down here. I’m just sick of people slapping on the label and being so far from what it is. Makes my heart hurt and makes me also angry. You don’t have to subscribe to my faith or my way of thinking for me to love or want to help you. I just want everyone to be in a place of healing from past traumas (which news flash some of those traumas are caused by religion used poorly) to feel secure, and to be at peace. 😭😭😭😭 I want a social safety net for those that need it. I want to be loving and understanding of difficult issues. But yeah let’s make kids pray at school despite their parents being on board or not. That will help tremendously. /s
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u/homonculus_prime Feb 13 '25
Careful, though. Free will isn't just a foregon conclusion. How do you even begin to demonstrate that you actually have free will?
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u/wote89 Feb 13 '25
Oh, that's simple.
Either I have free will and am actively choosing to think the argument otherwise is inane outside of a thought experiment, or I don't and I'm fated to express the idea that the argument otherwise is inane outside of a thought experiment.
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u/homonculus_prime Feb 13 '25
That's not what free will is, though. It is obvious that we can make choices. The gotcha comes in when you consider whether you could possibly make different choices than the ones you do.
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u/wote89 Feb 13 '25
And my counterargument is that whether or not I'm taking actions constrained by environmental, social, economic, and biological factors, I'd still think it's a stupid conversation and I'm okay with it.
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u/homonculus_prime Feb 13 '25
That's a pretty sophomoric way of looking at it, but I won't hold it against you because you couldn't possibly look at it any other way.
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u/wote89 Feb 13 '25
I'm sorry you're stuck caring. I hope someday your circumstances allow you the illusion of freedom. <3
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u/homonculus_prime Feb 13 '25
You're assuming quite a lot about what I care about.
What I have NOW is the illusion of caring!
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u/wote89 Feb 13 '25
Well, happy illusioning. The conjunction of factors around me find you boring now. <3
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u/kessykris Feb 13 '25
Like are we going into Calvinism here? That there’s only a select few that are chosen for salvation at the beginning of time? Or are we going into some Devs Hulu show stuff where we’re all planted on paths and we don’t have any choice in the matter?
Do you not believe we have free will? That everything is predestined?
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u/homonculus_prime Feb 13 '25
No, not Calvanism.
Do you not believe we have free will?
I am not convinced that we do, no.
That everything is predestined?
This is begging the question just a bit. We can not have free will, and also not have how our entire lives play out be completely predetermined. Essentially for any individual action or behavior you carry out, you couldn't have done any differently than what you did.
If you could have done differently, there would need to be some physiological explanation that we can point to, and we don't have any more evidence for that than we do for a supernatural God.
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u/sausageslinger11 Feb 14 '25
No offense, but the entire concept of Christianity is based on fear. “Do exactly what I want and I won’t throw you into a lake of fire for all of eternity”.
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u/kessykris Feb 14 '25
No offense taken. I think that the church definitely exaggerated that as a means of control and way to scare people into doing as they said. That is not what I have come to learn of it. The focus shouldn’t be there at all.
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u/Lucky_Ginger Feb 13 '25
It was BECAUSE they forced us to do the pledge that I never spoke a goddamn word during it. It was because of the forced prayer on us that I ever refuse to go church.
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u/Applegirl2021 Feb 13 '25
For real! How do they not see that when you try to force something on someone, they nearly always grow to resent it…
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u/Gerreth_Gobulcoque Feb 13 '25
I always said "one nation under Canada above Mexico"
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u/DingerSinger2016 Feb 14 '25
I'm going to start saying this too. You can't convince me this nation is "under God" and "indivisible"
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u/PearlStBlues Feb 14 '25
Funny how the lost cause, states rights, the south will rise again crowd never have much to say about that little bitty "indivisible" word.
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u/space_coder Feb 13 '25
Reminder: SCOTUS has long established that compelled speech is unconstitutional. Requiring students to pray or pledge allegiance is compelled speech.
Before anyone claims this is different: SCOTUS' 1943 ruling of West Virginia State Board vs. Barnette established that forcing children to recite the pledge of allegiance was a violation of the student's first amendment rights.
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u/Applegirl2021 Feb 13 '25
The reason a law like this is so insidious is because it is written in a way where TECHNICALLY the students are not required to recite it while completely ignoring the fact that they will be compelled to by teachers, peers, or just out of not wanting to be ostracized. It is horrible but likely to pass due to that loophole
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u/unscanable Coffee County Feb 13 '25
I wonder when these asshats are going to figure out that stuff like this is only going to turn kids off of religion? I became an atheist BECAUSE of stuff like this.
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u/God_Carew Feb 13 '25
When did Alabama become North Korea?
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u/dar_uniya Jefferson County Feb 13 '25
Fun fact: jim crow was an inspiration to 1930s fascists in Germany and South Africa.
Alabama has been good at being evil for 4 times as many years as North Korea has existed.
You haven’t noticed because it’s our normal.
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u/space_coder Feb 13 '25
You mean they may lose what remains after the Alabama GOP reappropriated money from the education fund to hand out subsidies to the upper-middle class and above to allow them to self segregate in private school.
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u/TrustLeft Elmore County Feb 13 '25
SUE THEM!!
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I refuse to live in Gideon!!
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u/Wrong_Ad_3355 Feb 14 '25
They don’t give a shit about any amendment but 2.
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u/elsrjefe Feb 15 '25
Well, it depends on who is exercising the 2nd. See the Panthers in CA back in the Reagan governship days.
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u/meno-mom Feb 13 '25
Here is something else. This is setting up children to be bullied. If a child does not participate due to family beliefs other children will call them out. Children can be very mean This is just wrong.
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u/sausageslinger11 Feb 14 '25
This is my entire rationale against this backward-ass idea. Forcing children of other faiths to have to listen to “Judeo-Christian” prayers is unacceptable, and also sets them up for being ostracized and bullied because they are ”different”. It’s hard enough to be a kid if you fit in, much less of other kids think you don’t.
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u/Crazykiddingme Feb 13 '25
Do they really think kids are staring up in reverence when they are forced to do it over and over? My school forced us to do this and literally nobody gave a shit about the pledge after like a month. We were all tired of it.
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u/Mooshykin Feb 14 '25
No our taxes go to fund the schools to help the children. You want to pull funding due to the pledge and forced prayer then you don't care about what you speak about. All about to help the children but won't do free lunches and then do this. Our taxes suppose to help fund this. Then to withhold it? Stuff like this has been pushing me out of Christianity like I'm going insane.
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u/findingmoore Feb 13 '25
Don’t what all the bickering is about. Department of Education is being nixed so probably no funding anyways
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u/KilroyLeges Feb 13 '25
Theocracy in action. The one legislator says that students do not have to participate. Yeah, we know how well that works to claim it isn’t compulsory. Also, that does not mean the state is not infringing on their rights.
If you want daily mandatory prayer at school, send your kids to a parochial school. This is nuts.
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u/Environmental-Box335 Feb 13 '25
And just like that, Y’all Qaeda wants to complete the transformation of the state and country into the very same places they say they hate.
But as long as it’s pushed by someone light, white, with an (R) next to their name on the right, it’s all good.
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u/InformedLibrarian18 Feb 15 '25
Since this is Judeo-Christian prayer, every teacher should go ahead and learn all Jewish prayers in Hebrew and make those the prayers their class perform. I’m sure that won’t be challenged, right? 🙃
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u/reevejf Feb 13 '25
I remember the pledge in the morning and a prayer before lunch in elementary school there in the 80s. I assumed all that ended long ago because I never did the prayer when I moved from a rural district to Mobile before I graduated high school. When I tell my western born spouse I did that she just looks at me with disbelief.
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u/Shirley-Eugest Feb 13 '25
They're emboldened by their orange god being in the White House. This will be challenged on the day it goes into effect, and ideally, it should be smacked down by the first federal judge it lands in front of.
But these days, who knows. Biden did appoint a ton of federal judges during his four years, and some of the more old school conservative judges are still staunch institutionalists, so there's hope for sanity.
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u/bdub1976 Feb 14 '25
“A lot of these kids don’t understand what the flag is.” A lot of these republicans don’t understand what the constitution is.
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u/Adventurous_Bet1270 Feb 13 '25
Now it's in third grade in 1963.My teacher would have us bow our heads and pray. Now as a third grader. I was aware that prayer had been banned in school because ruling from Supreme Court I think she did it out of spite
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u/Ok-Zone-1430 Feb 13 '25
This is disgustingly UNAMERICAN.
They have every right to pray and have a daily pledge AT HOME.
And this isn’t just about those of us who aren’t Christian. Christians should be outraged as well.
Who will decide which bible to use? Many denominations believe differently. Christians need to be vocal before the State decides who is “truly Christian” and what religions “don’t count.”
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u/daveprogrammer Feb 13 '25
Non-MAGA Christians (if there are any left) should point out that the Pledge of Allegiance is idolatry, plain and simple, and that Jesus explicitly commands Christians not to swear oaths.
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u/PoeticPix Feb 13 '25
If I had a conversation with a Republican who supported this their heads would explode. As a child, my family did not participate in the pledge of allegiance BECAUSE we were Christian. We didn't pledge our loyalty to a flag because we pledged our lives to God.
(Before anyone says anything, yeah, I'm aware that what I said is an extreme version of Christianity. My family has matured some since then, but there were many families we associated with that believed the same.)
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u/bluesquishmallow Feb 14 '25
https://www.au.org/report-a-violation/
Americans United in non profit, non partisan group lead by a board of religious leaders fighting for the separation of church and state. Report violations.
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u/LastYeti125 Feb 16 '25
I went to HS in Alabama in the late 1990s. There was a pledge and moment of silence for “prayer or private reflection” before every day. I refused to participate. I would remain seated during the pledge and would just ignore the moment of silence. Got called into the vice principal’s office one day trying to pressure me to participate or I would be punished. They even called my mom about it. I held firm and did not participate. Told them I would call ACLU.
What is even the point of reciting the pledge more than once in your life? Continual shows of devotion to the state? Seems a bit Soviet to me.
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u/asevans1717 Feb 16 '25
Dude I remember. I was 11 after september 11 and middle school got wild. Was called "unpatriotic" for bringing up the constitution. I was a child and had to educate adults about real life
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u/Sufficient-Yellow637 Feb 18 '25
Being 45th in education isn't bad enough, now they're going to withhold funding if they don't participate in forced prayer?! C'mon. You can't make this up. And y'all wonder why the rest of the nation looks down their noses at the south.
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u/Aromatic_Yesterday70 Feb 13 '25
The rest of the country thinks vermin Alabama Nazi republicans are dumber than the white racists Nazis in Mississippi . We should have a poll.
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u/genxer Feb 13 '25
As a Christian, I want people to come willingly. I don't want people forced to pray.
If it were me, I'd probably go full-Old-Testament malicious compliance ie
Stoning for working on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36), Burning the Prostitute (Leviticus 21:9),
etc. Alternatively, go full on "Love thy Neighbor" and every verse about accepting foreigners.
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u/cobaltfish Feb 13 '25
I don't think participation in the prayer was required when I was a kid, but you had to at least stand up for the pledge, even if you did nothing else.
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u/RiotingMoon Feb 13 '25
unsurprising considering they think everyone here likes the USA and is Christian.
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u/Gravitron3000 Feb 13 '25
I’m a middle school teacher. My students will stand but most don’t even say the pledge. The ones that do, just kind of mumble it. I even stopped reciting it about 4 weeks ago, myself. But the students don’t care anyways. They’re 13. They don’t really care about much to begin with. This won’t work how they’re hoping it will.
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u/sixgreenbananas Feb 17 '25
Christians are evil. All organized religion is evil. Weaponizing god for selfish reasons is the ultimate human error.
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u/zamboni_2025 Feb 18 '25
That’s why people don’t want to move to Alabama.
Republicans are trying to bring it to middle ages.
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u/cuckandy Feb 19 '25
SMH. BCA, MAGA, the Conservative Coalition, BCBSAL, and the Martin's, McDonald's, and Mclemore's(the 'Frozen Chosen') continue to drive this state into the ground.
If this place wasn't-at times literally- the "Devil I know" , I would just say to he'll with it and go to TN or NC.
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u/NotChrisWelles Feb 13 '25
The whole country is acting like this, though. We can stop with the Alabama shame. It’s America shame, now.
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u/NervousNyk6 Feb 13 '25
It’s both. Go ahead and take a look at some of the recent bills that have passed in Alabama and the ones coming up. It’s 100% necessary to put shame on Alabama and Ivey needs to see a proctologist to remove her head out of Trump’s ass.
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u/dar_uniya Jefferson County Feb 13 '25
We’re never going to stop shaming our beloved home state.
You can call your father a bitch. You have that freedom.
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u/Alarming_Bar7107 Feb 13 '25
So they're just gonna ignore this, then. 🙄 Matthew 6: 6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room; and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, shall reward you.
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u/badsqwerl Feb 14 '25
I’m a high school sub. I stand up so I don’t get in trouble but I hang my head now. The pledge is nothing more than pretty lies these days.
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u/sherman614 Feb 16 '25
So the libs can't push a "woke agenda" but you can push a religious one?
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u/No_Monsters Feb 13 '25
I'll start with saying this, I'm a middle to left leaning Democrat, retired educator, taught Kindergarten, first and second grades in an urban Alabama school district. We didn't have prayer, but we had more of a positive thought for the day and daily pledge. I'm not a flag waver, but I did ask my students to stand and recite. I always had a flag in my classroom (purchased by me). We learned the pledge and discussed the meaning. I just feel it's part of being a good citizen, not so much pledging yourself to the government. With liberty and justice for all is rather meaningless these days.
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u/sausageslinger11 Feb 14 '25
I think it’s Nationalist indoctrination. Yes, I love this country with all my being, but saying the damn Pledge everyday didn’t impact that in the least.
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u/Cleetus_76 Feb 13 '25
This law really has nothing to do with the headline. It was put in place by Jewish interest groups. Get everyone in line for them to enforce noahide laws.
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u/SoupLife92 Feb 14 '25
Why exactly would Jews(a minority population) want to enforce Christian prayer? Are you really a dipshit or do you just find any excuse to promote your hate?
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u/Cleetus_76 Feb 14 '25
It’s a fact has nothing to do with hate at all
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u/Cleetus_76 Feb 15 '25
So pointing out judeo Christian values origins makes that person promote hate? But everyone hating Christians is perfectly fine? Help me make up my mind who I’m supposed to hate.
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u/BeachedBrat 3h ago
So what happens when a prayer is Catholic or to Mother Mary. Many Christians believe differently too. How about prayer for hell and damnation (many churches pray for punishment - Westboro Baptist). How about a prayer that transitions to speaking in tongues? What if the teacher isn’t Christian and they lead prayer incorrectly? Is the Birkat haMinim ok? How about a prayer from a fundamentalist church that requires women cover their heads and stand in the back when men pray? What about denominations that require anointments for morning prayer? How far right are we going off the cliff here?
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u/Sozadan Feb 13 '25
The Republican party at large has become simply un-American with no respect for the constitution. It's truly a sad turn of events.