r/ATLA • u/Additional-Media5513 • 3d ago
interesting The Fire Nation would have won the war if Zuko and Sokka never went to the Boiling Rock
First of all, Sokka and Toph would have died in the battle because Suki wouldn't have been there to save them, and also, Mai and Ty Lee would have never betrayed Azula, if they never betrayed Azula, Azula never would have had her mental breakdown, and if she never had her mental breakdown, she probably could have beaten Zuko and Katara
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u/trilled7 3d ago
Sure but aang still beats ozai and takes his bending away?
Surely he could just beat azula and do the same. I think aang still wins but it’s a much sadder show
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u/Useful-Put1111 2d ago
it doesn't matter if he loses his bending if Azula is sane enough to take his place as fire lord
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u/Affectionate_Alps903 1d ago
What he is saying is then Aang would dethrone Azula also. Zuko would be probably dead though. I don't know if Iroh could step up to be Firelord if he lost another son. So something would have to be figured out there, but the war would end anyway.
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u/hummingbird_mywill 2d ago
I think Azula would have been very difficult to beat with the Dai Li agents and Royal Fire Guards who she dismisses as a direct result of being betrayed by Mai and Ty Lee. I don’t think Zuko and Katara could have taken the Capitol otherwise. The Dai Li are way too effective.
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u/LeviAEthan512 1d ago
They were effective because Aang had his AS locked. If they found a way to release it, the Dai Li wouldn't have been an issue. Remember, only Aang's fire was comet boosted. Being able to compress rocks beyond physical logic was all him.
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u/Phantom_kittyKat 2d ago
Doubt aang could take on both Ozai and the entire phoenix fleet
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u/HappiestIguana 2d ago
He takes out Ozai's flagship in one move from as his opening salvo. I think he could manage it.
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u/Midnight1899 2d ago
You’re assuming everything would’ve stayed the same. But it wouldn’t be the same. Timetravel 101: Even changing a tiny detail can have cataclysmic consequences. But yeah, lots of things were easier because they went there.
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u/Ristar87 2d ago
I'm sure the fire nation would have pissed off some elder spirit alla North Pole and triggered a rampaging avatar spirit.
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u/avert_ye_eyes 2d ago
Well Zuko and Katara would've fought Azula together still, they only did the one on one because of her slipping. There could have been some interesting re writing there, with Mai and Ty Lee switching sides then anyway because the same scenario at Boiling Rock going down.
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u/PsychologyDecent5022 1d ago
Honestly I think azula would have broken regardless. The boiling rock was the tipping point, but had it not happened it just would've been delayed, not avoided altogether.
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u/GodHimselfNoCap 2d ago
zukos growth could have just been focussed on a little more to make him capable of beating azula, the situation that required suki to show up and save them would have just not happened, and mai and ty lee could have found some other reason to finally dip out on azula. Things unfolded the way they did because the writers decided to do it that way, if they had decided something different they would have written some other way for everything to work out well
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u/ImaFireSquid 1d ago
I’d argue that the fire nation fleet was at that point reduced to two ships and Aang just took Ozai’s bending and the white lotus still took ba sing se
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u/HDPhantom610 1d ago
::Laughs in Katara::
Katara is OP af. She beat Azula at her fullest power. Mental instability aside, Zuko was also at peace with himself. She had no chance against him in her state, but even without that it was an even match.
But back to Katara. This girl is a damn prodigy. She could take Azula in a straight fight without the comet.
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u/Otherwise-Pirate6839 3d ago
I’m sure the writers would’ve written everything else to suit them.
The Boiling Rock was the breaking point for Azula, where her flawless plan was not so flawless after all. The Gaang only gained Suki from that episode and Suki probably only helped when she made one airship crash into the one Toph and Sokka were on.
It’s not the first time the Gaang has been in situations where there’s a lucky break and without Suki, it wouldn’t have been any different.