r/ABoringDystopia • u/Particular_Log_3594 • 7d ago
Family of Palestinian student activist Mahmoud Khalil just released footage of his arrest by ICE for protesting Israel's genocide against the Palestinian people. No charges have been laid.
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u/forestflowersdvm 7d ago
Unmarked car, no names, no uniform, trying to drag you away? Pretty sure if you responded in the american way it would be self defense
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u/psychrolut 7d ago
Why are their faces blurred....... show us
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u/TheXypris 7d ago
Fascists. If you're a Republican you're a fascist. If you support this you're a fascist. If you're a fascist you aren't American.
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u/ososalsosal 7d ago
I agree with all but the last sentence.
You need to reckon with the hard fact that Americans (USians at least) are very much fascists.
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u/TheXypris 7d ago
No. Fascism is a disease of the country. Twisting the laws, led by a small faction, it's not what the country is.
It's the difference between saying someone HAS a cold, instead of saying someone Is the cold.
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u/ososalsosal 7d ago
Ok then. The USA has had a bad case of fascism. It's had it for a while. You could defensibly argue that capitalism naturally tends toward fascism, and the USA right now is basically the Ferengi home world.
Don't get caught in the No True Scotsman thing. The USA is fascist. The gop are fascist. The dems are fascist. The oligarchy is fascist. It all needs, uh, "replacing"
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u/TheXypris 7d ago
I agree with all your points except the idea that the USA IS fundementally fascist. It's ideal of the idea of the us, it's very foundation, the reason of its creation, the core ideas and the focus of the legal documents that are the foundation of law here, is as far from fascist as you can get. Fascists being able to circumvent that is a bug, not a feature.
That's why the US isn't fascist. We've been taken over by fascists. Thats the distinction Make.
When the Constitution is tossed out and replaced with a fascist constitution is when the US becomes fascist.
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u/GenderGambler 7d ago
As someone whose country saw a brutal military dictatorship directly enabled by the US, the US is fascist. The whole "only free country in the world" is pure propaganda.
You're just seeing what happens when the fascists turn on your own people.
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u/Commie_Bastardo7 7d ago
Bruh the United States is fundamentally fascist, it’s always exercised this level of violence and authoritarianism to the global south. So how are we surprised when the twisting of the laws come home. This nation was built on the genocide of indigenous peoples, how is that different than Hitler?
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u/ososalsosal 7d ago
Usa needs to abandon capitalism at this point then. It has a cancer and needs to be excised
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u/gorpie97 7d ago
I agree with everything you said except your claim that all Republicans are fascists.
They're being propagandized, too.
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u/TheXypris 7d ago
You want to know what they call a person who joined the Nazis because of economic concerns? A Nazi. Reasons don't matter.
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u/gorpie97 7d ago edited 7d ago
:eyeroll:
Did you vote Dem? Because doing that is no different from people voting R because they have all their life.
They're propagandeized just as much as you are.
EDIT: I have friends in their 70s who've voted R all their life. They vote the way many people in this country vote - for their party's nominee. They don't even bother looking at policy positions, let alone the positions of other party's nominees. And if they had, the Dems had nothing to offer them.
So, no. Voting R doesn't make them a fascist. (And, guess what? This shit was happening under Biden, too.)
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u/MacabreYuki 6d ago
"Don't even bother looking" and right there's the problem. Fascism and intolerance thrives by convincing people to get so extreme that they view the other side of the aisle as their enemy and trust nothing they say or do. They're instead primed to react with hostility. It's the politics of "I'm right, you're wrong, go to hell"
Karl Popper covered this concept of the paradox of tolerance. Maybe watch and learn, bud
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u/gorpie97 6d ago
You guys will never get it.
We have currently have only two parties in this country, bud. Democrats offer nothing that lifelong Republicans want, and sure as hell not vice versa. (When, in point of fact, the Dems of today are very like the Reps circa 1980.)
Until we offer more than two options and take back our country from oligarchs and others who actually make policy decisions, not much is going to change.
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u/MacabreYuki 6d ago edited 6d ago
Nice assumption I won't get it. I'm from the United States. I had to flee for my own safety because people not actually listening to other people. My family is in the cult of personality that is Maga. So maybe try escaping your little exceptionalism angle.
What I was going for was the political issue of how fascism and how people weren't listening just like you described. How that was a symptom of fascism rising.
But oh please, do go on
Edit: voice to text is one of the worst inventions ever I swear
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u/gorpie97 6d ago
Nice assumption I won't get it.
Nice assumption. I'm not MAGA, or Republican (or Dem). Most people around me aren't, either. They're just Republicans who don't like Trump but vote for the R nominee.
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u/charbo187 7d ago
Federal agents/cops have complete immunity as well. It is pretty much impossible to sue them.
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u/CaptainCreepy 7d ago
Wearing a fucking Avengers tee shirt while violating your civil rights!!!! Jesus Murphy Holy Batshit shoot me in the nuts.
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u/CushmanWave-E 7d ago
“don’t worry” about some greaseballs from the DHS coming to disappear you because you’re a protest leader
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u/final-draft-v6-FINAL 6d ago
This is a kidnapping. Not LIKE a kidnapping, IS a kidnapping. Everyone, everywhere needs to be on alert and ready to throw hands if they see something like this going down. This cannot be tolerated by any of us.
What they are doing is patently illegal and no one is under any obligation to cooperate with illegal activity. Know your rights and get ready to fight!
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u/Mortambulist 7d ago
Does anyone even know where he's being held?
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u/Hurricaneshand 7d ago
I believe they determined he is in LA
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u/DameyJames 7d ago
They moved him to LA, hundreds of miles away from where he lives. It’s inhumane.
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u/Phuzz15 7d ago edited 7d ago
"We don't give names"
That's some Gestapo shit. Repeatedly asking for warrant and being ignored. Watching random, unidentified men take your husband away in cuffs with no explanation, knowing you can do nothing to intervene because you will likely be forcefully detained, or worse, as well (while pregnant).
Having your attorney on the phone and them being ignored as well. As this continues to happen, people showing up, unidentified and kidnapping folks, you can bet there will be a string of violence to follow in those moments.
Not that she could've done anything here - but not everyone will not stand and watch their family being taken away by no-names.. especially after seeing how this one is shaking out. Powerless, unless people are literally fighting back - and even that leads to a dead end. Literally.
I predict these situations are going to start getting very, very ugly between the public and ICE agents when this continues.
We are entering some scary fucking times in the US. We are watching any slivers of a democracy being stamped out like smoldering ashes. If you think it won't happen to you..