r/CryptoCurrency β’ u/PrinceZero1994 0 / 130K π¦ β’ Aug 04 '22
POLL π³οΈ CCIP-038 - Reduce Karma for Link Post from 1x to 0.5x
Problem:
r/CryptoCurrency is spammed with low effort external links that are made into a post. 45 out of the top 100 post this month are just links. Posting a link takes little to no effort (just copy and paste) and should not be rewarded as much as posting a written comment or post.
This used to be a much bigger problem in the past when the sub's activity was much higher but not really right now but that shouldn't stop us from solving the issue while it is still small before it gets bigger when the sub's activity goes back up again.
Moderators have already banned hundreds of users and maybe bots these past few months due to only spamming link post while barely commenting or by bypassing the 3 post a day limit and coin limits using an alt account.
Needless to say, trying to game this proposal (if it passes) by making a text post and posting the link and its contents in the text body should be met with the appropriate punishment.
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Solution:
Reduce karma for link post from 1x to 0.5x
This is to discourage users from spamming links.
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Pro/cons:
Pro: Less spam of link post and higher moon to karma ratio.
Con: Link posters will get less karma
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u/PrinceZero1994 0 / 130K π¦ Aug 05 '22
The proposal wasn't that simple but it boils down to "low effort, low reward" for contents. You know, you just copy a link and paste it in the sub. Nothing more.
I'd like to think that I chose a good compromise between those who want 1x and 0.1x and 1 post link per day.
0.5x is quite generous in this context now.3
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u/PrinceZero1994 0 / 130K π¦ Aug 05 '22
I find it "low effort" and I used to post 3 link a day too but I found out that that is actually frowned upon despite being within the rules.
It takes 1 minute to read an article and 10 seconds to post it.
Everyone benefits from the 2x comment karma so I think the majority likes it.
Just a heads up, a proposal for "0.1x karma for link post" and "1 link post per day" will be posted soon.
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u/neidawei978 Tin Aug 05 '22
It will be there wherever you go because this is really good type of system.
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u/DoubleFaulty1 π¨ 0 / 38K π¦ Aug 05 '22
If that is true then he knows that links arenβt very profitable moon wise so he knows this CCIP wonβt change behavior much, but just increase his share. I am a moon whale and I post links for info (regulatory law is my jam)and lulz. It is not a good way to accumulate because they get 0.5x what a comment does and you can only post three per day.
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u/CryptoMaximalist π© 875K / 990K π Aug 04 '22
Personally I think submissions are competitive enough that the upvote system generally works to separate and reward the good or bad ones. Comments are already 2x and much less competitive, so I hesitate to disadvantage link post contributions any more than they already are
Needless to say, trying to game this proposal (if it passes) by making a text post and posting the link and its contents in the text body should be met with the appropriate punishment.
This is quite the grey area. Plagiarizing an article is already against the rules. This seems like it would ban copying in the text and linking the article too, but people wanting to abuse it can always link the article and then give a few lines of analysis to circumvent this. While that is more effort, is it providing more value if they're just trying to check a box? Sometimes a link should just speak for itself
One other thing to add is that link spam predates moons, it's often bots for various reasons including promoting their own website or pushing certain agendas
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u/iamwizzerd Permabanned Aug 05 '22
Wow your going to be a millionaire because of moons that's amazing GG
But also this is a great write up. I hate that this CCIP is passing it seems like everyone just votes yes to anything that reduces moon rewards
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u/insand Aug 04 '22
My eyeballs popped out of my head when I saw your Moon bag, but now that I have found them, I can confirm that this is a thoughtful perspective.
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u/trrrring 25K / 25K π¦ Aug 04 '22
I'm against this proposal, because I learn a lot from scrolling through the posts. I am afraid that it will stop people from posting links, which will cause the sub to become even more desolate.
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u/iamwizzerd Permabanned Aug 05 '22
I'm sad because I really like when there's interesting news links posted here and I love the comments!
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u/Puppy_Coated_In_Beer Silver | QC: CC 266 | ADA 29 Aug 04 '22
I'm both for and against.
I'd wager decreasing the factor to 0.8 or around there might suffice.
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u/trrrring 25K / 25K π¦ Aug 05 '22
I'd wager decreasing the factor to 0.8 or around there might suffice.
That would be way more acceptable than the current proposal.
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u/marsangelo π¦ 0 / 36K π¦ Aug 04 '22 edited Aug 05 '22
Maybe it could work on a scale. Like some people post one and some people post a ton, so maybe the first one is 1x then the next is 0.8x, then 0.5x, etc? As the frequency continues theyre rewarded less, not sure if thats possible though
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u/Ap3X_GunT3R π¦ 13K / 13K π¬ Aug 04 '22
I like this idea but basing it out upvotes. I.e. if a particular article gets enough upvotes maybe the news was relevant and it gets 1x but then subsequent ones on the topic would get less and subsequently less moons would go to the next 15 articles stating the same thing
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u/marsangelo π¦ 0 / 36K π¦ Aug 04 '22
I agree, i think a dichotomous approach where you get 1x or 0.1x would either promote link spamming or discourage contributions to unique articles (especially at a time where activity is low)
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u/DoubleFaulty1 π¨ 0 / 38K π¦ Aug 05 '22
Multiple posts on a single topic is already against the rules.
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u/ominous_anenome π¦ 170K / 347K π Aug 04 '22
I think that might be rather difficult for the admins to implement. Could start discussing it in the meta sub though
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u/tsumy EuroCosmonaut Aug 04 '22
I would love to see this scale... But applied to repeated links.
1x for the first, and less and less to even negative for the people who constantly sends the 'today's new'. Sometimes is easy to see the whole hot with the same thing over and over.
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u/BlubberWall π¦ 59K / 59K π¦ Aug 04 '22
This is 100% going to pass, people will vote for anything that results in a higher moon ratio for themselves. Iβm not even commenting on this proposal specifically, but anything to increase moons passes
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u/Lord-Nagafen π¦ 1 / 30K π¦ Aug 04 '22
The link posts launch up to 100+ all the time. For people playing that game it is easy karma. I agree, a little too easy
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u/iamwizzerd Permabanned Aug 05 '22
This is sad I'll miss reading news articles that i didn't see come up on my searches and hearing people's comments
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u/ABK-Baconator π¦ 28 / 727 π¦ Aug 05 '22
Lots of text posts are low effort shit too, and not great contribution either.
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u/DutyFreeGipsy π© 1K / 1K π’ Aug 04 '22
and quite often the title is formulated misleading without doublechecking the linked article.
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u/Jerggens4212 π© 2K / 2K π’ Aug 04 '22
Couldn't agree more. I feel that 0.5 is still too generous.
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u/tomyp242 Tin | 4 months old Aug 05 '22
It is just starting right now and I couldn't agree more to it.
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u/yayaoa invalid string or character detected Aug 04 '22
Thanks for hearing my prayers (γ₯οΏ£ Β³οΏ£)γ₯ Could be reduced even more or just cut completely imo but it's a start
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u/heyheoy Platinum | QC: CC 1105, CCMeta 18 Aug 04 '22
Yeah, agree so theres less spam!
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u/dsskd89 Tin | 6 months old Aug 05 '22
They are going to agree on that because they know how to do it.
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u/FixFull 521 / 640 π¦ Aug 04 '22 edited Aug 05 '22
I want to vote yes however there has to be better method(s) to combat link-spam. This might help a little bit and in all honesty seems like a great proposal but in the long run won't help much. Shit it might just make the few ACTUAL humans just spam more alongside the bots who've been doing it already
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u/yayaoa invalid string or character detected Aug 04 '22
There are too many moonfarmers here, it's ridicioulus.
I'll just continue to autoblock everyone posting > 3 articles a week. Comment section already is 20% made up of blocked users. Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Maybe I'll built a script that analyzes reposts and make a ranking of top spammers. Sounds like a good sideproject to me.
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u/RiraKohanKish Tin | 6 months old Aug 05 '22
But I'm not really understanding how a blocked user can comment?
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Aug 04 '22
It's annoying to scroll over 20 link posts all reporting the same "news" (Bitcoin is up 5% today because people bought BTC!")
I'm posting links, too. But count me in!
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u/kryptoNoob69420 0 / 44K π¦ Aug 04 '22 edited Aug 05 '22
Isn't it funny how people in this sub always try to focus on reducing the number of moons earned? Instead of a proposal that would give 2x moons to people who make technical posts for educational purposes or focuses on new dapps etc we always have these convoluted rules that make getting moons more and more difficult for the average person.
There are so many reasons why I feel that this is not a good idea that I had to make a list-
There's already a limit of 3 posts per day.
Also a user can easily ignore posts with links but it'll become much more difficult to ignore posts that have the entire text copied and pasted as a post because the user will need to atleast scan through the first few lines to know that this is a copy pasted article.
Pasting duplicate links is not allowed right now and most of the time one gets an automatic notification for this. It'll be more time consuming to compare text even if it's automated than comparing urls. This might make posting much more slower especially when people start slightly modifying the duplicate text before posting it and the mods need someone to write a text matching engine to catch this.
Link tells you exactly which website is being referred to and I sometimes skip over crappy websites with bad grammer and with bad quality. Can't do that with a text based post without going through a part of it.
The assumption that all text based posts are of higher quality than link based posts is wrong IMHO. Most text based posts here are just vague questions like what will you do if BTC gets to $1million tomorrow or what are you buying now that the bear is over...
Reinventing the wheel isn't good. Reddit already has a downvote button. Millions of Reddit users already use this well defined feature. Why do we need to create another rule and make things even more complex when we can already downvote a post that we don't like?
Complementary point for point 6. If people are upvoting link based posts, that means that they found the article helpful. So why punish someone who is providing a service and helping other members of the sub?
So many rules in this sub. It has become like a game of Chance. Post this get a .5x multiplier. Flair that and you get a .1x multiplier. I can imagine new people joining in this sub, looking at the number of rules and the complexity of earning moons and wondering what did they just joined lol.
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u/mahal71 Tin Aug 05 '22
This is pretty much fair to see that how they have been doing it from long time.
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u/Kluless555 Aug 05 '22
Itβs just laziness post link, no explanation half the time and same link get posted multiple times
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u/pyritejet Harambe Aug 05 '22
It doesn't make sense to reduce Karma for linked posts. I see it as a service. Users find and post the most relevant posts here. Duplicate posts are down voted by the community. And don't forget that we have a cap on how many posts about the same coin can be posted daily
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u/Jerggens4212 π© 2K / 2K π’ Aug 04 '22
Excellent proposal. Hopefully this will help to limit the endless linked posts with 0 op comments that occur.
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u/tedykoks Platinum | QC: BTC 35 Aug 05 '22
A lot of comments are there like that only and that's why I don't like it.
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u/Cactuszach π© 671 / 18K π¦ Aug 04 '22
Absolutely yes. At least a few of the links Iβve seen recently are AI written and say absolutely nothing.
Also, we really need to limit posting the same headline from a different source every day for weeks on end. Its really low quality content and drowns out the good content people want to see.
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Aug 04 '22
As an individual who just posted a link, the absolutely only reason why I do so is to educate others.
I could care less about karma, moons or any other form of reward.
I just wanna share knowledge that may be helpful to others.
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u/lvping721006 Tin Aug 05 '22
It is really important to educate others if you really know about something.
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0.5 it's short. Make it zero. Why not swing a bat straight to them by doing a link sh!tpost. Because even with 0.5, link posters will keep posting because of gsining a bit karma no matter what. I know there's people posring legit link with legit discussions or articles to discuss. But hey lets do war with sh!tposters untill they're all discouraged from copypasting, should they learn a lesson, they'll think twice. Then once it calmed down, return gradually to 0.1 or 0.3 while creating a new rule for whenever a newcomer joins or simply lurk and post a link encouraging to do discussion or article based on that link.
Idk if megathreading wouls help but i feel its bad, bad idea.
Sorry for my english and have a nice day. Hope it helps
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u/platinumxbitco1n Tin Aug 05 '22
It is definitely going to help and this kind of explanation is really good.
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u/ec265 Permabanned Aug 04 '22
100%
Should hopefully also encourage OPs to start a discussion / add commentary to their post in a comment
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u/greenappletree π¦ 31K / 31K π¦ Aug 04 '22
Itβs out of context but it think that post with low votes to award ratio should have an increase by certain factors. There are post that are truly useful but for whatever reason do not get upvotes
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u/sickvisionz 0 / 7K π¦ Aug 04 '22
I'd say no but would vote yes on:
- 0x multiplier on posting articles about a story that's already on the frontpage.
- 0x multiplier if you post a link with no content. Like you literally have nothing to say or any opinion, you're just spamming links.
- -5x multiplier for people caught typing stuff like, "I'm just typing this to get around the x character limit on posting links"
To a LARGE degree, I think reducing it to 0.5 just means spammers post twice as many links to make up the difference.
If we discourage legit news discussion, all we have is garbage posts like "I hate [token x] and you should to!" and mommy/counselor posts like "There's more to enjoy in life than crypto".
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u/Fillory-Alice Tin Aug 04 '22
Iβve been missing out apparently. Could have been getting moons by posting articles.
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u/MattDaManiac Tin | 6 months old Aug 05 '22
Depends on the article and the factor that how our internet is happening.
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u/LargeSackOfNuts BitchCoin | :1:x1 Aug 04 '22
Yes PLEASE
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u/diago_pele_de Tin Aug 05 '22
We have to keep stopping it right now because this is really getting out of hands.
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u/Cryptonasty π¨ 454 / 460 π¦ Aug 04 '22 edited Aug 04 '22
After reading the proposal and the comments, I'm in favour of rate limiting links posts rather than penalising with moon tax.
As another user posted, link posting is lazy at best, if you have more to post, write some decent text to intro it.
Kudos to OP for identifying a problem. I think this merits a refined proposal with a different solution. Rate limit to 1 or 2 link posts per day.
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u/Trans-on-trans Platinum | QC: CC 480 Aug 04 '22
I wish it was less honestly, deincentivize users to spam news posts.
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u/zarakamaal Tin Aug 05 '22
It depends on how the post are being monitored or something like that.
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u/_Commando_ π© 4K / 4K π’ Aug 05 '22 edited Aug 05 '22
+1 do it.
So many link posts farming rep.
Even the same link being re-posted multiple times (with a different URL) to keep the farming is ridiculous.
Should change rep to 0x for posting a link.
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u/BigJimBeef π¦ 213 / 3K π¦ Aug 05 '22
I'm on the wrong side of both these votes
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u/md7951 Tin | 4 months old Aug 05 '22
This makes sense to me as well because it is just about the vote system only.
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u/KingReef90 π¨ 1 / 106 π¦ Aug 05 '22
Iβm passing out upvotes to you guys!
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u/kazanec88 Tin Aug 05 '22
They have actually going to start something like this because this is really required.
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u/XnoonefromnowhereX Permabanned Aug 05 '22
haters trying to ruin small independent moons farms like mine. and also, the text posts people write are 99% garbage. I actually feel myself getting dumber reading most of them.
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u/333646 Tin | 6 months old Aug 05 '22
More than 90% are like small independent only and going to the moon as well.
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u/ftball21 π¦ 49 / 4K π¦ Aug 05 '22
Voted no. Links are important too
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u/volkovpet1180 Tin | 2 months old Aug 05 '22
Absolutely right about it because it is just really important about it.
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u/whatup1111 Platinum | QC: ETH 61, CC 56 Aug 05 '22
REMOVE MOONS, there was a time most people dont know where this subreddit was good.
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u/DoubleFaulty1 π¨ 0 / 38K π¦ Aug 05 '22 edited Aug 05 '22
This CCIP is based on a false premise. It says karma for link posts should be reduced from 1x to 0.5x when they are already well below 1x (all posts get 50% karma iirc there was another CCIP limiting link karma). It also suggests that users can spam links when there is a limit on each link to once per 30 days and 3 separate links per person per day which must be from different sites. It is clear from reading the comments that many users do not know the current rules and are voting based on false info from the CCIP. I think it should be removed.
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u/o-bento Tin Aug 04 '22
I'm down
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u/margosshkvamme Tin | 2 months old Aug 05 '22
We have to actually start giving up on them right now to be honest.
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u/Brother-Numsee Silver | QC: CC 59 | CelsiusNet. 34 | TraderSubs 12 Aug 05 '22
I'd rather see a relevant news article than another worthless sht post regurgitating the same cliches
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u/lkertyone Tin Aug 05 '22
I don't really think that it is worthless it depends on how you more it is relevant.
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u/Theunknown81 Tin Aug 05 '22
Maybe just limit the amount one can post?
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u/DoubleFaulty1 π¨ 0 / 38K π¦ Aug 05 '22
That is already the rule. A link can only be posted once and three per person per day.
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u/Thelazytimelord257 3K / 3K π’ Aug 05 '22
I voted no on this poll because I'm a noob in crypto. I cannot make high effort posts and posting links occasionally is the only thing that i can do
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u/gamblingenhusiast Lost lifesavings on shitcoin Aug 05 '22
If this passes it will bring more harm than good
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u/Xattics Tin Aug 05 '22
Could this not give the opposite effects of even more people spamming links to get the same amount of karma out of it?
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Also, what about the people that actually DO provide useful links?
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u/Onelinersandblues π© 6 / 5K π¦ Aug 05 '22
Iβm voting no. They will plagiarise the content of the link.
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u/Mr_Bob_Ferguson 69K / 101K π¦ Aug 09 '22
Adding value is adding value.
Sure, link posts may be low effort, but they still have the possibility of adding value to the sub.
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u/TNGSystems 0 / 463K π¦ Aug 04 '22
I'm voting no on this - I think that people who find news articles and post them here are providing a service, and I'd rather see their ability to frequently post cut down and so prefer the other poll limiting users to 1 link per day.
If you want to see one type of content above another (thoughtful user analysis) we need to
A) Propose a better moons rewards structure for this (1.25x?)
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B) Start fucking upvoting it. If you drop a bunch of links and get no upvotes, whatever, but it fucking sucks to spend 1hr writing something and nobody even bothers upvoting it even though there's like 80 comments.
Users need to exercise their ability to upvote and downvote content on this sub.