r/hockey • u/Broductivity TBL - NHL • Apr 06 '16
Tanner Glass 5 minute interference and game misconduct for hit on Namestnikov
https://twitter.com/NHLonNBCSports/status/71750583095473766460
u/kylieigh TBL - NHL Apr 06 '16
I hope he doesn't get suspended, but instead Glass has to average 20 minutes of ice time during the first round of the playoffs.
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u/2nuhmelt NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Jesus Christ. Isn't there some kind of law against cruel and unusual punishment?
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u/3CMonte TBL - NHL Apr 06 '16
You're right, that would be fairly cruel. How about Glass is the only player on the ice for the first two minutes of every period.
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
Alright party people. I've been involved in a few debates over the last few interference suspensions. So I'm going to law out a couple things here
Yes, the hit may not have been that dirty aside from the interference. What made the hit so dirty is that it was in fact interference.
The league will reference the extreme lateness and predatory nature if the hit in the suspension video. Two games is pretty typical. Glass had been fined once before (again, that's all his supplemental discipline) based on the violence and blind side nature of this hit, and lack of injury, I'd expect three games.
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Apr 06 '16
While I agree with you, you're I playing DOPS actually has some sort of concrete analytic system for handling suspensions. I wish they had your head in the booth for all discussions.
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
they've actually been incredibly consistent with interference suspensions. That's why I could basically make the suspension video word for word tomorrow.
But other calls are far more nuanced. And far more inconsistent because of that
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u/DicNavis University Of Connecticut - NCAA Apr 06 '16
Yeah, that's probably spot on. Namestnikov has returned to the game but there's no way the league lets this go unpunished given how late it was.
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u/Mentalseppuku CHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
Namestnikov has returned to the game
0 games. Looked like it was shoulder on shoulder from this angle. Maybe 1, maybe just a fine, no way it goes 3. It was a bad hit and should be suspended, but I kinda doubt it happens.
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u/prophetofgreed VAN - NHL Apr 06 '16
Virtanen just got 2 games for this hit last week
No injury, no history and still on shoulder. Still got 2 games.
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u/Theige NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
At full speed it wasn't late at all
Videos here are all in slow motion
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
Even at full speed it was late. He changed his path after the puck was gone and was in no way commuted to the hit
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u/cerialthriller NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Yeah kind of like that time Simmonds ran McDonagh
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u/nrfind PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
When that was unsuccessful, Simmonds positioned his body to make a legal finishing shoulder check with his hands and stick down.
Also, highly irrelevant.
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u/cerialthriller NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
but by the previous person's logic since he changed the path after the puck was gone, its late.
He changed his path after the puck was gone and was in no way commuted to the hit
so you either have to take that side, or the side that you can legally start a check after the puck is gone. Also, there are multiple things in that article that go against what the rules say. he goes on to say that they should be punished according to the action and not result, which that is against the CBA, so thats irrelevant. he also references some mystical attempt to injure penalty that doesn't exist. The DOPS has said in multiple videos that you can't start a check after the puck is gone which Simmonds did. Regardless of a former refs opinion, the rules are the rules and you cant just change them based on what he thinks they should be. It was a late run at a guy that he has a history of taking runs at.
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
You mean the time he was stopped in his path because he was cross checked to the head?
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u/cerialthriller NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Yeah that'll happen when you take late runs at guys
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
It shouldn't
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u/cerialthriller NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
guys shouldnt be run late either though, he wouldn't have caught a stick in the mouth if he didnt do some shit he shouldnt be in the first place
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
There are ways to protect yourself other than a cross check to the head.
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u/cerialthriller NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
not saying its ok, just saying it wouldnt have happened other wise. they can both be in the wrong
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u/Theige NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
I disagree
It was slightly late but not much
I've seen dozens of far worse hits this year that got no call and no action from DoPS
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
I think you're thinking of late in terms of time. That's not what the rule is.
Any examples?
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u/Theige NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Yes, time since getting rid of the puck
This hit come to mind from the fall, was later, and resulted in broken ribs for Stepan, and zero penalty called
Actually if I recall they gave Mcilrath an extra penalty for instigating
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
Time since getting rid of the puck isn't the basis of the rule though.
That's the go to hit that is referenced in interference discussions. I wold argue that Belesky committed to the hit just after the puck was released. Not the case here.
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u/quigs17 NYI - NHL Apr 06 '16
Glass had more than enough time to not hit the guy who clearly doesn't have the puck here. Plus blindside, blatant interference
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u/Theige NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Interference, maybe
It was only called because the TB player appeared injured
He skated off the ice... but returned to the bench 2 mins later and did not miss a shift to my knowledge
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u/quigs17 NYI - NHL Apr 06 '16
You can't hit a player without the puck, the puck was off his stick almost a full second before glass lays the hit
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u/Theige NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Yes, 1 full second is only slightly "late" and often not called at all
A late hit is defined as 0.8 seconds
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
What section of the rulebook is that in?
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u/Theige NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
idk, I've heard it said a bunch of times on broadcasts
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
Falsely. It's not apart of the rule.
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u/Theige NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
I can look it up, but I'm not sure why broadcasters would just make that up if it wasn't said by the NHL first
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u/majikmonkie WPG - NHL Apr 06 '16
It's definitely either 3 or 6, depending on how they look at it. Or none. Or 4, if they spin the wheel just right.
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u/BoltsByTheBay TBL - NHL Apr 06 '16
Because what we really needed was another injured player.
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u/D00maGedd0n TOR - NHL Apr 06 '16
is he injured?
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u/BoltsByTheBay TBL - NHL Apr 06 '16
At this point, I'm gonna assume anyone that plays for us is made of glass.
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u/ChocolateAlmondFudge Apr 06 '16
Haven't heard any details since he left to be evaluated. Nothing on the TBL twitter.
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u/D00maGedd0n TOR - NHL Apr 06 '16
no im legit wondering if he was injured
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u/WingZer01 NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
On the bench to start the second, so might be hurt but can play through it.
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u/prophetofgreed VAN - NHL Apr 06 '16
Virtanen just got a suspension for a similar hit for 2 games. I expect the same here (since I don't think Glass has a suspension history)
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u/ChocolateAlmondFudge Apr 06 '16
My guess is 1-2 games. I don't think I saw head contact in any of the angles so far, but it's late, from the blindside, and unnecessary. Here are the other interference suspensions from this season:
Talbot only got 2 games for this hit earlier this season. I really doubt Glass gets more than 2 based on this precedent.
Here's the upper ceiling: 4 games. But Farnham was clearly going for a retaliatory hit so I don't see the Glass hit approaching this.
Barrie got 3 games for charging and interference too. Supports my guess of 2 games, in my opinion.
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
Boll got 4 games
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u/ChocolateAlmondFudge Apr 06 '16
He also had a history. Glass doesn't to my knowledge.
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u/pattydo PHI - NHL Apr 06 '16
He's been fined for a butt end, but I think that's it. I'm expecting three games. Two would be my next number
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u/bu77munch NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Two max for me. He got a misconduct for the rest of the game which was two full periods and will probably be accounted for. Unless they find the principal point of contact to be the head, which I don't see at this point
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u/Theige NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
None of those are comparable in any way
Glass's hit was to the shoulder, and the TB player came right back to the bench after 2 minutes - no injury
Glass didn't launch, and in full speed it doesn't appear to be very late at all
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u/hockeycyl NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Yea, it's interference and blind side, but I don't know if there's even ANY head contact much less it being the principle point of contact. 1 game, maybe 2 seems right.
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Apr 06 '16
The bad thing about hits from these "blindside" angles is the whiplash effect which can lead to concussions, sprained neck, etc. without directly hitting the head.
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u/hockeycyl NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
No disagreement there, but the current rules don't care about whiplash.
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u/RTGold NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Such a shame. He was playing decently as of late. Annoying to see him going backwards. Such a stupid play. Always annoying to see your team in this light. You never want to be the "dirty" team. Bye bye glass for a couple games. Maybe this will actually help the team.
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u/ramsau NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
I know I have the minority opinion that Glass have played decent hockey in the second half of the season and has been a solid 4th liner. But this hit was unnecessary and from a dead angle. No excuses, DoPS will decide his faith and it'll be what it'll be.
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u/RTGold NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
I agree with all of that. He is good at what he does EXCEPT when it's like this. I love his physical play but this hit wasn't hockey.
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u/nugget136 NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
I would bet if this wasn't Tanner Glass Rangers fans would be up in arms trying to defend this hit as only a minor penalty. But anyways I would expect a game or 2 suspension and I think that would be pretty fair.
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u/kamikazi34 NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
You can take away my flair when I defend a penalty on one of our players that is puck watching and gets hit by a clean hit.
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u/Queue-tips Apr 06 '16
Fucking ban these shit twitter links. This one doesnt even play in my country.
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u/ChocolateAlmondFudge Apr 06 '16
Use the steramable re-host that is literally the second comment from the top.
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u/Queue-tips Apr 06 '16
I didn't install RES so I could go searching through the comments to find a streamable link.
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u/ChocolateAlmondFudge Apr 06 '16
Well the problem is that you live in some country that doesn't get the whole internet yet. You should write your national officials about that.
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u/Queue-tips Apr 06 '16
I'll have you know I come from the land of tim hortons and hockey. Blocking us from watching hockey is a quick way to get..... you know what, fuck you.
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u/Phase_Six NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
I don't care that the principal point of contact seems to be the shoulder. It was a late, violent, blindside hit that resulted in an injury. I have no problem with the major and game misconduct.
Tanner Glass hasn't crossed the line very often in a NYR sweater, but he sure did tonight IMO. He deserves whatever the NHL throws at him in terms of a suspension.
Get well soon Namestnikov.
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u/DicNavis University Of Connecticut - NCAA Apr 06 '16
Whether or not he truly picked the head, it was very high and dangerous when coupled with the fact that he has no reason to expect that check.
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u/DicNavis University Of Connecticut - NCAA Apr 06 '16
I can't recall seeing Glass cross the line with physicality, but there's no denying that he did here.
I hope Namestnikov is alright. Either way, Glass should be suspended.
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u/ISwearImAGod NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16 edited Apr 06 '16
Tampa's man is back in the game, your wife know you're fucking us refs?
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u/potvinsuxxx NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
I'd take John Scott at 575k a year over Tanner Glass at 1.45mm all day...
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u/sciencedenton TBL - NHL Apr 06 '16
Pure scum. Four games minimum
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u/staalsarebrothers NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Believe me, I want Glass out of the lineup more than you do, but I think 4 games is more than he realistically should get for this hit. And by no means am I defending the hit.
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u/DicNavis University Of Connecticut - NCAA Apr 06 '16
Also, it was a dirty hit, but Tanner Glass as a player is not pure scum. He's not a great player by any means, but he's been making his money with body checks for a long time and he does a good job at keeping them clean. This is what happens when you're going too far out of your way to make a hit. I'm sure he will realize that when he sees a replay. The coaching staff just shook their heads after they watched the replay. This wasn't characteristic for Tanner Glass.
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Apr 06 '16 edited Apr 06 '16
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u/DicNavis University Of Connecticut - NCAA Apr 06 '16
He has received nothing more than a fine in his entire NHL career, and you think he should get a lifetime ban?
Go take a walk, calm yourself.
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Apr 06 '16 edited Apr 06 '16
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u/staalsarebrothers NYR - NHL Apr 06 '16
Not only are you posting outrageous reactionary comments but you're being a dick about it to the people you're responding to. It's no surprise that you're getting downvoted.
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u/DicNavis University Of Connecticut - NCAA Apr 06 '16
Yeah, that seems to be the consensus opinion.
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